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To: Eric who wrote (15263)	12/14/2009 6:51:38 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86355

Do Nir Shaviv and Henrik Svensmark need to learn some physics? Message 26175422 .... the case for an anthropogenic warming relies on two problematic arguments. First, 20th century warming is unprecedented, and therefore should be attributed to human activity. Second, the 20th century warming cannot be explained by any other mechanism other than anthropogenic greenhouse gases (in particular, if the human radiative forcing is omitted, the global circulation models cannot explain the 20th century warming). The fraudulent "hockey stick" stood at the crux of the argument that 20th century global warming is unprecedented. It was used to eliminate the existence of the medieval warm period for example (this is not unlike George Orwell's 1984, in which people wake up one morning with a new history...). As the alarmists explain in their e-mails, the "hockey stick" is based on the manipulative "hockey stitch" where thermometer data was stitched after 1961 to disguise the fact that the reconstructed temperatures decrease). Thus, one cannot claim that the 20th century warming is unprecedented. Second, given the apparent measures alarmists take to stop the publication of any non-conforming voice, the apparent lack of any alternative explanation to 20th century global warming should only be viewed as the alarmists success to quench alternative views, not that alternative views do not exist. Indeed, there is an alternative explanation which explains a non-negligible part of the 20th century global warming, it is the sun. The whole story here: sciencebits.com Svensmark: “global warming stopped and a cooling is beginning” – “enjoy global warming while it lasts ..... Message 26007022

To: Eric who wrote (15263)	12/14/2009 7:14:51 PM
From: Peter Dierks	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86355

Ha. You are a very funny man. You get brought down to size and now you respond to a different post with a snipe. The difference between us Eric is that I don't pretend to be superior than thou. I see through charades and already believe in our savior Jesus Christ, and so don't need the religion of the week. My education included a great deal of being a trained skeptic. I as trained to used statistics, human behaviors and detailed investigation to uncover fraud and abuse. It doesn't take a physicist to realize that every type of manipulation and abuse that I was trained to spot and uncover was being employed by the insiders of the cult of global warming. It does however take one capable of seeing beyond the nose on ones face to see it. You sit in your ivory tower and try to belittle those who see through the hoax. You might fool some of the people some of the time, but more are on to you than you know.