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To: Snowshoe who wrote (71715)12/15/2009 12:23:19 AM
From: Snowshoe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
A very pessimistic piece on gold...

TD tosses cold water on gold party
Posted: December 14, 2009, 2:15 PM by Peter Koven

Gold has had a rough ride over the last week, falling from more than US$1,200 an ounce to about US$1,120. But TD economists Derek Burleton and Dina Cover think this is just the start: they see growing troubles for gold in 2010 and they expect the metal to eventually fall back toward its long-term, inflation-adjusted average price of just US$500 to US$600 an ounce.


more: network.nationalpost.com



To: Snowshoe who wrote (71715)12/15/2009 2:39:56 AM
From: marcos2 Recommendations  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559
 
gdxj - haven't followed it much at all, funds being generally not to my taste, and it was to have several holdings i wouldn't have picked, Novagold, Silvercorp, possibly Gabriel, latter two on political risk grounds ... overall it was not a bad mix maybe, but of midcaps really, to your typical canuck punter they're not 'juniors' any more once they've made it through 150m market cap, and that's the minimum for gdxj

Splitting it up, between the metal and its juniors - on gold my permanent short-term take is, 'not sure but think it could pull back for a bit', this may be more true at the moment than usually ... it could go the other way however, certainly there are not now and there aren't going to be any fundamental reasons why the fiat productions should gain in value

Juniors - well, leaving aside that gdxj is not juniors by my definition, this is the season for the puppy sector ... traditionally you have tax-loss season peaking out anywhere between now and two weeks ago, then sporadic relief rallies start happening, general Santa Claus rally usually, and some mid-winter ramps due to financing/promo seasonality, also imho partly because most punters are northern hemispheroids and spend more time indoors playing with the buy/sell buttons when the weather is ugly ... these effects are increased or decreased according to the year, tax-loss will not have been such an issue this year [it was huge last nov-dec], but generally if you make reasonably good picks on a basket of real juniors about now with a view to taking profit in late spring, you don't go too far wrong

Some just plain don't like gold, and by extension any of the commodities, nothing with its boots on the ground and some actual assets ... such is life, ain't no accounting for taste, and it is a good thing too, as it will really help to have fresh buyers who finally decide they like things a lot higher ... the TD pair there in your later post, for instance, all the way through this decade there have been such people prattling on much the same, hated gold and everything solid, from the 250s to the 1200s, look back far enough in the record and i bet you find they liked Nortel a lot, lol

Last year's deflationary doomerism showed gold to be quite resilient, other metals too, zinc, silver, copper to varying extents ... these may not tank the same should we get another round of deleveraging, especially gold which bounced well

General economies are not going to improve to where people forget to keep that ace-in-the-hole safety gold provides, not as long as they keep on printing, and they'll keep on printing until they're physically stopped from it i think ... has to run on to some sort of End Times, really hit the wall ... meantime, upsey doosey round and about, could test 1000 yes, could test lower without breaking long-term trend, but it's not a lock imho that gold needs to tank much at all

Metals prices don't have total effect on what i play, often what they hit with the drillbit and/or how they do at financing/promo work matters far more ... provided long-term commodity price trend is in, which it is even for humble zinc i think

Oil - my plan for months has been to look at o&g in february, same as this year, maybe play some little oilsands juniors and re-enter the old fave Suncor even ... but now thinking, it looks real iffy if we do get another round of deflation, may not have near the same bounce ... thoughts waver back to gold, it's like carriage return on a typewriter, start fresh, same ink but new line

Nice try changing subject, i will try to leave it be ... hard to let completely twisted propaganda just lie there stinking, though ... some of my early take on this came from a guy drafted into the IDF, son of z--n-sts who later recanted much of their fervour and wrote privately about it, he's still alive and won't let that stuff pass unchallenged either



To: Snowshoe who wrote (71715)12/15/2009 3:33:16 AM
From: marcos  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
gdxj - just looking at their holdings, interesting, some not bad imho, played them fairly recently ... also hold Alamos, which i don't know any more really, but once did - bought National Gold ngt.v who held Mulatos at the time, paid .15 for first shares then it promptly tanked from its financing price, got .13s and lots of them, added .17-.25 on the way up ... a year, year and a half later after many little developments they merge with Alamos aas.v, one thing led to another and now it's agi.to trading over 12 bucks ... ngt.v absolutely made 2002 for me [or 2003 or whatever year that was, lol]

The guy with whom i was most impressed, of all individuals involved, was Jim McDonald, who now runs ktn.v ... he's still on the board of Alamos i think, but i have no interest there [Turkey? - wtf is up with that], quite happy to hold a fair position in Kootenay though, at a market cap under 50m, 12m at bank, and with eight (8.0) carefully chosen active exploration projects underway in politically stable jurisdictions ... when there's a juniors fund open to this sort of potential, i'll be more inclined to follow it

Good idea for those who don't want to get deeply involved with story and detail though, and who maybe have a different sort of risk tolerance, or different time frame in mind ... each to his own ... its chart will also become important TA, people will keep an eye on it, as bellwether for the sector



To: Snowshoe who wrote (71715)12/17/2009 4:49:31 PM
From: Snowshoe  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
The new GDXJ gold "junior" etf closed at 24.83, flirting with its all-time low of 24.65.

Gold falls to mid-Nov. lows as Fed bolsters dollar
marketwatch.com