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To: Neil H who wrote (66714)	12/15/2009 1:02:05 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Respond to of 149317

I have some thoughts on that from readings that are a bit different, but right now Chinu has my mind on intense practical immediate things like hit squads. I would enjoy returning to what you have brought up at some point. thank you for the post. j

To: Neil H who wrote (66714)	12/15/2009 1:58:17 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

On what constitutes a betrayal, we might it seems disagree. I think Peter denying Jesus 3 times was rather very bad, but heck he got to go on to be the 'rock' the church in Rome, all hail to Rome (ooops, slightly sarcastic). anyways... one issue is how anti-Jewish sentiment came down through the ages because of Judas Iscariot, yet all the deciples were Jewish, yah? and... a more important, imo, point and one that the gospel of J and others make is that... well, it was supposed to go as it went, nyet? someone had to betray Jesus to the Romans so that he then got taken off and killed, otherwise the story would have fallen rather flat? so do you (generic you) condemn the one who did what had to be done, or understand that perhaps he was the one Jesus trusted to do the thing that would condemn him, Judas, to being hated for eternity? takes a great friend to take on that 'role'. and was not the whole thing to some extent planned out to fit with old... procephies of the 'messiah'? I just think those are things to ponder in terms of why Judas made certain decisions, since 'someone' had to make them, someone had to become the latest Cain? btw, I do not think this is just going back and forth on religion etc... the ideas and ideals of betrayal and trust and the 'grand scheme of things' is still very alive and always alive, yes? there was a certain Greek... not sure if it was Plato or Aristotle who had no use for poets... but our life is written in poetry, we are more than blips and beeps of a computer, we are an ongoing story, and it is left to us to write what it shall be. oh my. sorry. eeek.