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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (71717)	12/15/2009 2:15:37 AM
From: marcos	3 Recommendations Respond to of 74559

You have lapped up the standard surficial propaganda quite unquestioningly, Mq, don't know why you do on this topic [actually off-topic!] when you don't seem to on others ... you haven't got a hope in this exchange, as i know the subject far better than you, having become interested in the issue years ago, picked up some details not covered by standard zionist pap, and this was before a lot of new stuff and true confessions of old invaders came out Zionists say they 'bought', well yes some land was bought starting 1880ish, funded by Rothschilds and Montefiore, this wasn't a lot of acres total, tiny fraction of one per cent of Palestine, and didn't really cause much for problems either, as at this level they did not constitute a threat to the natives They will also say 'but jews were here already', and yes there was a jewish community in Jerusalem, who had been invited in by Suleiman Something or Other several generations before ... however this community total was a tiny fraction of Palestine's population, and they were emphatically not zionists, didn't like the idea of a large-scale invasion which would inevitably lead to war, and didn't want anything tying the jewish religion to a nation-state either, felt strongly that it went against their holy books and their god's laws ... this community also did not cause problems at that time, because it did not constitute a threat to the natives Comes then Weizmann with his chemical patents which brits wanted in the great war, Balfour puts out his declaration in favour of 'a homeland for the jewish people', zionists run with this straight to 'aha, carte blanche to wipe out the indigenous and set up our own nation-state' ... [before taking issue with this statement, read Jabotinsky et al from that era] ... the BD also stated that the rights of non-jewish people in Palestine were not to be removed, well you can see what happened with that clause ... much is made of the arab minority yes, much is also done to make sure it stays a minority - refugee members of their families are permanently barred, for one thing You cannot cross the sea with hordes of armed personnel for the express purpose of taking another people's lands from them, take those lands, and then say oh gee, we are the victims here ... just doesn't work that way Mq ... invoke the maori all you like, but they don't do enough ethnic cleansing to get themselves in the paper any more - this invasion of Palestine is right here right now, in our lifetime, with no parallels outside of chicom thugs enslaving tibetans and uighurs, and the arab rulers of Sudan wiping out whole peoples in their south Give it up Mq, you will never promote zionist invasion to anybody here, and you wouldn't be doing them any favours if you could - there will never be peace in that place while the experiment continues as it is, and there will never be thread peace while its promoters keep hammering away with the same old easily de-bunked garbage Fwiw, i possibly have a bit of DNA from the area as well, if so quite watered down by my generation, and at a point in that family tree fairly close to a tenuous stretch of a connection to distant cousinhood of the poet Shelley ... means nothing, a separate branch of ancestors from very few miles away once tried for a connection to Nelson's mistress, managed to get it to 'probable but unproven', and that's at least as significant