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To: one_less who wrote (66753)	12/15/2009 3:19:38 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

That is open for people to discuss. and of course we would have to define modern times by how many years or decades ago. betrayal? if it is not too far back, I would have to say the slaugher of Jews and queers and Roma and others by Germany and affiliate countries while others stood aside. now... what possible good could have come of that? i don't personally consider the creation of Israel to be a good that came of it as why should people there be responsible for what Germans did and others stood by and let happen? that aside... I do think a good is that the anti-Jewish fevor that ruled the Christian Church (by any name) was a positive. it slapped them up the face. and of course I consider their hatred of the jews to be utterly misbegotten for many reasons, including on the level of the text and supposed 'events' concerning the one called Jesus. but, hell, they still want to kill queers. and if weren't for 6 million dead Jews in WWII and the 'need' for Israel to occupy all its old land and build the 3rd temple, would not most still not care if they died one way or the other? so... what do you consider the greatest betrayal?

To: one_less who wrote (66753)	12/15/2009 3:37:16 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

Lessmore - my betrayal of humanity you could of course be asking so many things... humanity as specific people? humanity as a philosophical notion? the mind whirls. but to pick a 'greatest'... I would suggest that is like year-end top 10 lists of songs. we betray humanity on a basic level of beings and on a broader philosophical level all the daym time. we are still learning, but maybe getting better. perhaps it took 6 million dead in gas chambers to rock our boat. maybe it takes some people denying it happened because to admit would require them to change to rock our boat? maybe there really is a reason for everything and it is up to us to make that a reason that propels us forward or keeps us mired in the past. whachoo think, o wise one?