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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (66872)12/16/2009 2:25:40 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
Democrats Lash Out At Obama Over Health Care Disappointments

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Congressional Democrats are starting to voice their anger at President Obama over the way health care legislation has been compromised, blaming him for not fighting harder.

"The president keeps listening to Rahm Emanuel," said Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.). "No public option, no extending Medicare to 55, no nothing, an excise tax, God!" he exclaimed about the Senate health care bill to Roll Call. "The insurance lobby is taking over."

"The White House has been useless," Rep. Dave Obey (D-Wis.), the chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee, told Politico. Referencing Senate delays, he said, "It's ridiculous, and the Obama administration is sitting on the sidelines. That's nonsense."

While many House Democrats have expressed anger with the Senate for the watered-down bill, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) argued that it was really Obama who let centrists take control. "Snowe? Stupak? Lieberman? Who left these people in charge?" he said. "It's time for the president to get his hands dirty. Some of us have compromised our compromised compromise. We need the president to stand up for the values our party shares. We must stop letting the tail wag the dog of this debate."

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) similarly suggested that blaming Lieberman was ignoring the real culprit -- Obama.

"This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place, so I don't think focusing it on Lieberman really hits the truth," said Feingold. "I think they could have been higher. I certainly think a stronger bill would have been better in every respect."

As Politico's Craig Gordon noted about the president's health care maneuvering, "Time and again, [Obama] rebuffed Democrats' requests to speak up more forcefully about what he wanted -- a strategy that allowed Obama to preserve maximum flexibility to declare victory at the end of the process, no matter what the final bill looked like."

Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), pointed to polling that suggests Democrats will face trouble with their base if they don't deliver a strong bill. "Thirty percent of Democrats will not come out and vote if there is no public option in the health care bill," she said. "What does that tell you?"



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (66872)12/16/2009 2:50:43 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 149317
 
The Big Question: Lieberman on healthcare: political folly or fortune?

By Sydelle Moore - 12/15/09 11:58 AM ET

Some of the nation's top political commentators, legislators and intellectuals offer some insight into the biggest question burning up the blogosphere today.

Today's question:

How will Sen. Joe Lieberman's decision to block several possible health reform compromises impact him politically?

Hal Lewis, professor at UC Santa Barbara, said:

He may, finally, become a free man. The Democrats need him more than he needs them.

A.B. Stoddard, political commentator, said:

Since Joe Lieberman won his reelection in 2006 with mostly Republican votes one could argue he is tacking to the right in hopes of securing GOP support at home for his next run. Others argue Lieberman, who has enjoyed the financial support of the insurance industry -- which has considerable interests based in Connecticut -- is protecting insurers and at the expense of his constituents.

What is certain is that a publicity win is usually a political win for a politician and Lieberman has worked to make sure that it is not Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NB) but himself who remains the focus of the health care reform fight. He pledged to filibuster any bill with a public option, and though he has expressed support for Medicare expansion in the past and remained open minded about such a compromise last week he went ahead and choked it off before it even came back with a score from the Congressional Budget Office. Given that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is running out of time to pass the bill out before Christmas, Lieberman likely did Reid a favor by telling him now that he would block a Medicare expansion.

Once again, Democrats are angry and Lieberman is the center of attention, claiming the high, principled ground. That is a win for Joe Lieberman.

Ryan J. Davis, Democratic strategist, said:

Impact Joe Lieberman politically? This is a guy who hasn't behaved responsibly politically in years. Remember his incredibly sad, ill-manged 2004 Presidential campaign? Where, after the New Hampshire primary, he said one of my favorite quotes of that race, "We are in a three-way split decision for third place!" Remember when he bucked his party and ran for Senate as an independent after being defeated in the Democratic Senate primary? Or, that time he supported Republican John McCain for President over Barack Obama. That didn't make any sense politically either, but he did it. Now, Joe decides to completely reverse his views on the Medicare expansion, just to be a jerk. Lieberman constantly surprises me with his ability to avoid any and all consequences for his actions. Why should this move be any different.

Peter Fenn, Democratic strategist, said:

Many Democrats were willing to forgive Joe Lieberman for his foreign policy stances, particularly Iraq. Some wanted desperately to put the 2008 campaign and the speech at the Republican Convention behind them for the sake of national and party unity. The assumption, of course, was that Lieberman, for his entire political career, had been a loyal Democrat and progressive on nearly every singly domestic policy issue and would remain so, despite his actions of the past few years. My guess is that Joe Lieberman will actually win the day on health care this week but that the anger within the Democratic caucus will be palpable. The "Independent" description of his status will only increase.

Justin Raimondo, editorial director of Antiwar.com, said:

Since all politics is local, I don't have any ready answers to this question: it all depends on what his constiuents in Connecticut think. Perhaps they believe, along with me, that health care is not the most pressing problem we face, and that the issue of jobs -- or the lack of them -- really ought to be the first concern of Congress.

In any event, this is a plus for Lieberman because it amplifies his independent stance, a position increasingly popular with the voters. It also reflects the public's growing concern about the costs of government programs proposed by this administration.

Yes, it's true that Lieberman is alienating the Democratic liberal "base," and yet he did that a long time ago. So he hasn't got a whole lot to lose in that respect.

Chris Kofinis, Democratic strategist, said:

"With his hypocritcal opposition to health care reform, Sen. Lieberman has now surpassed Dick Cheney as the person progressives dislike the most. How's that for a political accomplishment."

Bill Press, political commentator, said:

Joe Lieberman is digging his own political grave, destroying what little credibility he had left. The fact that he proposed the expansion of Medicare just three months ago, yet opposes it today, just proves that he is out to kill all health care reform legislation. Democrats should immediately throw him out of the Democratic Caucus, strip him of his chairmanship, refuse passage to any bills that carry his name, and cut off all federal funds to Connecticut. Let him know there is a price to pay for being a traitor.

Peter Fenn, Democratic strategist, said:

Many Democrats were willing to forgive Joe Lieberman for his foreign policy stances, particularly Iraq. Some wanted desperately to put the 2008 campaign and the speech at the Republican Convention behind them for the sake of national and party unity. The assumption, of course, was that Lieberman, for his entire political career, had been a loyal Democrat and progressive on nearly every singly domestic policy issue and would remain so, despite his actions of the past few years. My guess is that Joe Lieberman will actually win the day on health care this week but that the anger within the Democratic caucus will be palpable. The "Independent" description of his status will only increase.

thehill.com



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (66872)12/16/2009 8:28:03 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 149317
 
Special Comment: Not Health, Not Care, Not Reform

by Keith Olbermann

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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (66872)12/16/2009 10:29:34 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
a couple more comments from the DailyKos website today...

Obama never claimed to be a populist, or to be willing to take on the corporations. He claimed that he intended to take on partisanship in Washington.

Which he's done, mostly by trying to pry away corporate support from the GOP. Which I think he's doing with some success.

I've never really warmed up to Obama, and this is why. And if you listened to what he said and read what he wrote, it was pretty clear he what he was going to do once in office.

Obama is all about process, and is a very practical guy. To a fault, really. If you wanted a person who would take on corporate power, he was never your guy.

"If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

by mbayrob on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:00:42 PM PST

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The Dems are sooo busy playing defense they can't even stop to pull their heads out to even begin framing the issue. Remember Karl Roves attack plan from the documentary "Bush's Brain"? - it was the attack of a "thousand hachets". Don't give em' time to come up for a breath. Problem is, we're getting hachetts thrown back and forth from our own side, all it takes for the Repubs is to sit back and watch the carnage...

WAR IS PEACE...FREEDOM IS SLAVERY...FOX NEWS IS JOURNALISM

by FakeNews on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 04:46:23 PM PST

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a real lousy job --- the lousiest job ever on this health care mess. There should have been a strong united front, on offense, continuously pushing and knocking down the opposition from the other side. But instead, all the Democrats managed to do was constantly criticize, fight each other and then, which is unbelievable to me, join the Republicans in opposition, aiding in bringing down healthcare reform, President Obama and the Democratic Party and its future. It's the most amazing politically dumb thing I've ever witnessed.

by dotster on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 05:39:37 PM PST

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