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To: Lane3 who wrote (127385)	12/18/2009 8:57:01 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540821

Um Lane I like his points. I just think the article is poorly written if the writer really wanted to make them. That's a very substantive and specific argument against the piece. It's not "trashing"- at least as I understand that term. Perhaps you need to give us the benefit of the doubt?

To: Lane3 who wrote (127385)	12/18/2009 12:23:49 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 540821

Yes, they were. That the first reaction to them was to ignore them in favor of trashing the piece as more crap from the right is an example of the extent to which the problem has proliferated. You've missed the important point about the almost unanimous reaction here, Karen. The first response was to say something like, the guy's right, political talk has gone to the proverbial dogs. Period. Stop. Then several of us entered into what makes his particular piece suspect and how that could have been improved. If you thought you would get better from any place, SI or otherwise, you miss what's happened to political talk at least since Gingrich made his run against Michaels.

To: Lane3 who wrote (127385)	12/18/2009 2:30:55 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540821

Hi Lane3. I really don't want to pile on here. I would argue, though, that there's sort of a quantitative difference, if not qualitative, on the two sides of the aisle here. Republicans / conservatives embrace this kind of stuff this on a fairly industrial scale. Remember what happened when Michael Steele raised some modest criticism of Limbaugh? I'm not really of the fight fire with fire school, but I think Democrats tend to be totally outgunned by the Limbaugh/Beck/Fox News noise machine. I don't quite know what can be done about it. An article from a couple months back that sort of addresses the issue from a little bit different perspective: theatlantic.com . Dale tends to be somewhat sanguine about people filtering out the cable news / talk radio drumbeat. Me, less so. Anyway, glad to see you posting here again. Looking at your profile, I'd guess you have some kind of SI foot-in-two-camps record with your 2 favorite threads. I'm sort of under orders not to refer to the other one, though.