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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (27241)12/18/2009 6:52:59 PM
From: average joe  Respond to of 36921
 
Czech President Klaus: Global Warming Not Science, but a 'New Religion'

As the Copenhagen Climate conference comes to a conclusion amidst riots by demonstrators and scrambling by policymakers, Czech President Vaclav Klaus has a message for the world: Global warming is a "new religion," not a science.

As the Copenhagen climate conference drew to a close Friday, Czech President Vaclav Klaus, long a global warming skeptic, had a message for the world: do not dictate to humanity how to live based on an "irrational ideology," which he sees as the product of political correctness.

Global warming is a "new religion," not a science, he said in an interview with FoxNews.com.

"I'm convinced that after years of studying the phenomenon, global warming is not the real issue of temperature," said Klaus, an economist by training. "That is the issue of a new ideology or a new religion. A religion of climate change or a religion of global warming. This is a religion which tells us that the people are responsible for the current, very small increase in temperatures. And they should be punished."

Klaus, the second president of the Czech Republic since the fall of communism, is often called the Margaret Thatcher of Central Europe. In the interview, he sounded more like Winston Churchill, vowing to defend liberty and freedom from those who would restrain global economic growth.

"I'm absolutely convinced that the very small global warming we are experiencing is the result of natural causes," Klaus told FoxNews.com. "It's a cyclical phenomenon in the history of the Earth. The role of man is very small, almost negligible."

Klaus believes man's natural ingenuity can create new technologies that will lessen any impact that mankind has had on the planet's environment. "I don't think the radical measures just now suggested in Copenhagen are necessary," said Klaus.

"Politicians and their fellow travelers, the media and the business community, simply understood that this is a very good topic to take on. It's an excellent idea to escape from the current reality. Not to solve the crisis, but to talk about the world in 2050, 2080, 2200. This is for them an excellent job. They will not be punished by the voters for making a totally wrong decision, a wrong forecast."

Klaus says that many interested parties get "a lot of money and influence" by backing the idea of global warming and organizing the Copenhagen conference, as well as its predecessor the Kyoto conference. "Some of them are really just rent seekers who hope to get some money either for their businesses or for their countries," says Klaus. "Some of them are really true believers."

The president reckons that environmentalism, executed on the scale suggested by global warming adherents, is a "real way to stop progress, industrial progress…and this is something unfair."

Klaus fears that turning global warming into binding law would impede civilization as we know it.

"We'll be the victims of irrational ideology. They will try to dictate to us how to live, what to do, how to behave," Klaus said. "What to eat, travel, and what my children should have. This is something that we who lived in the communist era for most of our lives — we still feel very strongly about. We are very sensitive in this respect. And we feel various similarities in their way of arguing or not arguing. In the way of pushing ahead ideas regardless of rational counter-arguments."

Klaus thinks that the world's "silent majority" would agree with his position on global warming. "I'm so sorry that Al Gore and others around the IPCC succeeded in influencing so many people," he said.

Klaus, who graduated from the University of Economics in Prague, and also studied in the U.S. at Cornell University, worked in banking during the communist era. He was also an outspoken reformer during the "Prague Spring" in the late 1960s, a cultural revolt against totalitarian ideology. Klaus was previously prime minister of his country, has received more than 50 honorary degrees and is colloquially known as "Mr. Professor" by his countrymen.

He worries that schoolchildren around the world are being fed global warming ideology, and that this will give the ideology more power in the future.

"We need to bring new arguments. The real problem isn't the arguments. The real problem is to motivate people to listen to other arguments against this. This is the missing link in the current debate."

Klaus says that he is in favor of "green" technology, but cautions that he is not in favor of the government dictating the development of the technology.

"I lived in a communist world where politicians told us what to do," Klaus said. "I don't think politicians or presidents should suggest to firms what to do. That has always been a mistake."

foxnews.com



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (27241)12/18/2009 11:23:51 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36921
 
Wharfie, that's the first time we have agreed, though I'd only believe you if I could see a post from you. <Those of us paying attention knew then, too> - re the absence of WMDs in Iraq.

I believe that unlike me, you are just being wise after the event.

Mqurice



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (27241)12/19/2009 9:00:41 AM
From: Peter Dierks  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36921
 
Global Warming and an Odd Bull Moose
What one angry animal taught me about nature and its infinite complexities.
DECEMBER 19, 2009.

By DANIEL B. BOTKIN
One pleasant June evening years ago, I took a break from ecological research at Isle Royale National Park and went canoeing in a large inlet named Washington Harbor, hoping to see some of the moose populating that isolated wilderness island in Lake Superior. Upstream, an old cedar arched gracefully over the waters, framing the forest and the deepening sky beyond.

The serenity and beauty of the scene rivaled the best of America's landscape painting. For that moment, the remote island wilderness appeared as tranquil as a still-life, as permanent in form and structure as brush strokes on canvas at the Louvre.

Soon after I had pushed out from shore, a large bull moose stepped carefully into the cold lake waters and began a slow traverse of the shallows, searching for water irises, lilies and other water plants that were some of his favorite summer foods. He circled the shallows for 20 minutes, rarely stopping to feed. In this northern wilderness, June was too early for water plants, and as the moose edged his way over to the north shore, he found little to eat. Suddenly, he galloped through the shallows, scrambled out of the inlet, and began kicking vigorously at the shore. He dashed up a short bluff, breathing rapidly, turned, raced down and kicked again where the sand and waters met. It was as if he were furious with the harbor for denying him food, but I never did understand why he acted that way.

Nothing could have contrasted more with the idyllic scenery of that evening than the moose's bizarre, chaotic and perplexing behavior. But in the almost half-century that I have studied nature's character, I have come to realize that the seeming constancy of the harbor symbolized a false myth about nature, while the moose that kicked at the shore—complex, changeable, hard to explain, but intriguing and appealing in its individuality—was closer to the true character of biological nature, with its complex interplays of life and physical environment on our planet.

With the Copenhagen climate conference drawing to a close, and the perhaps-compromised science of global warming everywhere in the news, the big bull moose came to mind as a reminder of the difference between the way much of environmental science has been approached and the way nature actually works.

Most of the major forecasting tools used in global-warming research, including the global climate models (known as general circulation models of the atmosphere) and those used to forecast possible ecological effects of global warming, paint a picture of nature more like a Hudson River School still-life than like the moose that kicked at the shore. These forecasting methods assume that nature undisturbed by people is in a steady state, that there is a balance of nature, and that warnings the climate is at a tipping point mean that the system is about to lose its balance.

In fact, however, nature has never been constant. It is always changing, and life on Earth has evolved and adapted to those changes. Indeed many species, if not most, require change to persist. So there is something fundamentally wrong in most approaches to forecasting what might happen if the climate warms. The paradigm is wrong and has to change. But such fundamental change in human ideas never comes easily, and it is often resisted by those whose careers have been based on the old way of thinking. In addition, the general circulation models are such complex computer programs, and have been developed over so many years, that a fundamental change in the entire way of thinking about climate dynamics and its ecological implications is all the more difficult.

The recently revealed emails from the East Anglia Climate Research Unit, better known as "Climategate," illustrates the difficulty of letting go of old, perhaps flawed methods. We who work in environmental sciences and on global warming need to open ourselves to a much greater variety of ways of thinking about nature. We need to develop forecasting methods that are appropriate for always-changing, non-steady-state systems where chance—randomness—is inherent.

Among the various things I have tried over the course of four decades of work on the effects of global warming were a few computer models of the carbon-dioxide cycle, small computer programs, taking quite different approaches than the standard at the time to the question of what might happen if carbon dioxide were to increase rapidly from human actions. I created a strange little model of little boxes, each representing what we ecologists call "biomes"—major ecosystems on Earth, like all tropical forests. These "competed," so to speak, for CO2 in the atmosphere through their photosynthetic organisms, and returned some of that CO2 back to the atmosphere as the model's "creatures" respired or died and decayed.

The results were as strange and surprising to me as the moose who kicked at the shore. The CO2 in the atmosphere didn't just build up over hundreds of years and then slowly decline to the same perfect equilibrium concentration in the Earth's atmosphere prior to the industrial age. No, instead it oscillated strangely, because the biome that had the fastest rate of uptake "out-competed" the others, pulling the CO2 concentration down so far that the plants and algae in other biomes didn't have enough and died back, giving up their stored CO2 to the atmosphere.

That strange little computer model was at the time just as ephemeral for me as that evening canoe ride at Isle Royale. It got me thinking about how a complicated, intricate, always-changing system could respond to a novel input. The computer, caring even less about me than did the bull moose, simply showed me exactly what the consequences of my assumptions were.

I didn't publish that work because it was so simple, yet different, and seemed more a personal insight than a definitive forecast. But looking back now at the bull moose and that little computer model, I believe that we have been on the wrong path in our view of the way nature works, and we need a fundamental change in our paradigm.

This can come about only in an intellectual atmosphere that is open, free, and wildly experimental. It would be an atmosphere that let us accept that natural ecological systems are likely to be full of surprises, like a moose kicking at the shore.

And once we open ourselves to those possibilities, perhaps we won't find ourselves caught between defending weak science or lashing out, like that bull moose, and kicking at what seems to stand in our way.

Mr. Botkin, professor emeritus in the Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Marine Biology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, is the author, most recently, of "Powering the Future: A Scientist's Guide to Energy Independence," to be published in March by Pearson/FT Press.

online.wsj.com