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To: i-node who wrote (537616)12/20/2009 12:29:02 PM
From: Alighieri  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1578275
 
OJ Simpson walked out of a California courtroom a free man, LEGALLY. That didn't make it right.

A glimpse in your crazy mind if ever there was one.

But I defy you to point to ANY piece of substantial legislation in history that has been done in this way.

Are you serious? The republican congress during bush was ruthless in using its majority. This is the one complaint the left has with today's democrats is that they are whimps.

Al

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About Part D

In the months before its passage, a few powerful Republican leaders worked to undermine conscientious reform proposals. In early 2003, while the House bill was being drafted, Democrats and Republicans authored 59 sensible amendments to it. At the behest of the Republican leadership, however, the House Committee on Rules rejected all but one, preventing them from being debated by Congress. Many of those amendments — among them, one requiring the administration to use beneficiaries' collective purchasing power to negotiate lower prices and one allowing Americans to import cheaper drugs from Canada — would have made the legislation far more effective and probably would have received bipartisan support, had they been allowed onto the floor.

Next, the conference process, whereby the House and Senate versions of legislation are reconciled, was fundamentally corrupted and kept almost entirely secret by senior Republicans. Democrats on the conference committee were excluded from deliberations, to the point of being physically barred from the conference room on one occasion. The pharmaceutical industry, however, was invited in.

Serious conflicts of interest on the part of the bill's primary authors were common. The chairman of the Commerce Committee, Representative Billy Tauzin (R-La.), coauthored the bill while negotiating a $2-million-per-year job as a lobbyist for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the drug industry's trade organization. The top Republican aide on a subcommittee involved in writing the legislation also left his position soon afterward to lobby for PhRMA. Thomas Scully, the administration's top Medicare official, deliberately understated the program's projected cost by $134 billion, and when the chief actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) objected, Scully reportedly threatened to fire him if he shared his true estimate with Congress. Soon after the legislation passed, Scully resumed his career as a health care–industry lobbyist.

When the conference report was brought to the House for a vote, members were given less than one day to read the 850-page bill, a violation of House rules. When the vote was called at almost 3 a.m., voting Democrats stood unanimously with 22 Republicans in opposing the legislation. Had the vote been gaveled down in the customary 15 minutes, the bill would not have passed. So the Republican leadership held the vote open for a record three hours while attempting to change the outcome — through intimidation and other tactics that, again, violated House rules. Finding itself with a narrow lead at 5:53 a.m., the Republican leadership immediately brought the vote to a close.

Many abuses undoubtedly took place that night. Representative Nick Smith (R-Mich.) later revealed what may have been the worst: that former Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) and Representative Candice Miller (R-Mich.) tried to bribe him with political favors to change his vote — an infraction for which the House Ethics Committee later admonished them.



To: i-node who wrote (537616)12/20/2009 1:03:24 PM
From: combjelly  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1578275
 
"But I defy you to point to ANY piece of substantial legislation in history that has been done in this way."

Pretty much all of the legislation passed under Bush when the Republicans controlled Congress was much more overt than what you are complaining about.

"Without the people or the party not in power having had ANY input"

That was their choice. The Democrats tried repeatedly to get the Republicans on board. They would demand changes, get them, and still refuse to cooperate in any fashion. So it shouldn't be all that surprising that if someone refuses to negotiate that they wind up having little input. Despite this, they still wound up influencing much of the bill.



To: i-node who wrote (537616)12/20/2009 3:18:34 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1578275
 
"But I defy you to point to ANY piece of substantial legislation in history that has been done in this way."

You're parroting John McCain EXACTLY.



To: i-node who wrote (537616)12/20/2009 4:16:35 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1578275
 
Interesting.......the enemies of progress back in the 1930s......the Rs and southerners.......are the enemies of progress today.

"In the November 1938 election, Democrats lost six Senate seats and 71 House seats. Losses were concentrated among pro-New Deal Democrats. When Congress reconvened in 1939, Republicans under Senator Robert Taft formed a Conservative coalition with Southern Democrats, virtually ending Roosevelt's ability to get his domestic proposals enacted into law. The minimum wage law of 1938 was the last substantial New Deal reform act passed by Congress.[73]"

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