To: Taro who wrote (537918 ) 12/21/2009 9:24:57 PM From: combjelly Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576627 "You want me to provide a couple of links?" Google the GRACE satellites. They started to measure a change in the ice balance on the East Antarctic Ice Sheet around 2006. The error range is pretty large, but, at a minimum it isn't accumulating any more. At a maximum, it is shedding ice faster than the WAIS. "The only problem being, that then provide a couple of links proving the opposite." The only ones I can find are pre-2006. Late 2005 is the latest. "So some of those links must point to falsified data, right?" Doesn't follow. Like I said, the old data supports your argument. The later data doesn't. The pre-GRACE data was also less complete. "Now you tell me if yours - the GW supporting data - or mine, the opposite are more likely to having been manipulated..." The older data wasn't necessarily manipulated. I suppose it is possible, though. The newer data would be a lot harder to manipulate. The orbits can be checked by others. Unless you want to make the claim that some nefarious group infiltrated and put trick circuitry and thrusters into the designs of the satellites to make it look like their orbits are being affected when they aren't, or are spoofing the telemetry... But that is more than a little crazy, Taro. Odds are, though, that you are just using older data. You have done this before. You gave an example of a glacier that was accumulating. And it was, over 15 years ago. Things have changed, but you are still using the old data. Which I can understand, I suppose. It is familiar to you and you take comfort in it... But sometimes you just have to let it go. It is time.