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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (538380)	12/23/2009 3:37:39 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1577987

This will sound like a sorry excuse, but conservatives have been backed into a corner with regard to health care. AFAIK, most conservatives have no real gripe about health care reform. They are, rightfully, pissed about a process which is much closer to what would be found in a dictatorship than what traditional American legislative processes have looked like in the past. The other big item is the budget, about which the liberals in Congress have blatantly lied and the CBO has had its hands tied keeping it from being honest on the fiscal proposition. For example, the so-called CLASS provision pertaining to long-term care coverage, which is will create a huge, no a "massive", new entitlement that is funded through four years of taxes -- followed by a few years of benefits at the end of which Congress will be FORCED to continue the funding. Nobody's even counting it.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (538380)	12/23/2009 3:41:34 PM
From: Joe NYC	3 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577987

Where do you find common ground? I personally think a "public option" is just fine, funded by cheap premiums on the beneficiaries and a small tax on everyone else. It will give the most basic health care services, and if you want more, you should be free to choose a private plan. That will never happen, because liberals want "equality" more than health care for all. They want the same system for everyone. They will not introduce a basic system that would be affordable. They will introduce a Cadilac plan for as many, adding more people. Since the country is bankrupt, and certainly can't afford all these Cadilac plans, things will just go downhill, downgrading Cadilac to Yugo, and taxing the hell of everyone who would try to purchase an upgrade.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (538380)	12/23/2009 4:11:07 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577987

"I personally think a "public option" is just fine, funded by cheap premiums on the beneficiaries and a small tax on everyone else. It will give the most basic health care services, and if you want more, you should be free to choose a private plan. Much like the USPS hasn't bankrupted FexEx, UPS, and other premium, more costly shipping services." You and I are perfectly aligned. But, you've lost the rest of your team.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (538380)	12/23/2009 5:01:32 PM
From: Alighieri	1 Recommendation Respond to of 1577987

I personally think a "public option" is just fine, funded by cheap premiums on the beneficiaries and a small tax on everyone else. It will give the most basic health care services, and if you want more, you should be free to choose a private plan. Much like the USPS hasn't bankrupted FexEx, UPS, and other premium, more costly shipping services. We are in agreement...and by the way this is not far from what the house plan is. The process became much more dysfunctional in the senate, lots of blame on so called "moderate" dems, which are little more than dems who come from conservative regions of the country...Lieberman is the exception...i am not quite sure what motivates him...Hartford's insurance business I suppose. How is Obamacare going to reduce those costs? Obama keeps claiming that costs will be reduced under his plan, but to me those claims are meaningless platitudes. I am not sure, but I do know that the American public has had a full view of the the limits of American politics. Obama's choice here was to establish a beachhead or go home empty handed. He chose the former...now the right and the left are angry with him, for different reasons. Al