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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: one_less who wrote (81997)	1/5/2010 3:25:58 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"The quantumness of seeking is the realization that you are not seeking understanding of your self because you are already conscious of your self. You are seeking what is not your self. As you discover/reveal the truth, you realize it is indeed yourself because you can't know what is not within you to know. The knowledge that you/other (the not you) are not separate is the coming to oneness, the overcoming of ignorance, the transcendence to self-realization, and the abandonment of self imposed suffering." Message 26110688 quite clearly makes factual claims about the nature of human existence and ultimate reality. When I said <<That description of reality is generally referred to as Pantheistic Monism.>> You replied: "No it's not, at least not exclusively." I'm interested in what the other possibilities might be? ............................................................. "It's a truism greg. It's one I composed for thread discussion. Rather than discussing the merits of the statement itself, you began struggling with the concern that it must be based on some ideology, one that I was not being forthright about." A truism? Is that like Truthiness? At any rate, it's a truth claim about the state of reality. It's yours, and it's based on your ideology. Do you really think that you don't have an ideology? I'm not nearly as focused on a precise label for your view as I am about just trying to get a read on where you are coming from. Now I know. The same statement that you made, could just as easily have been made by Shamans, Hindu's, Buddhists, or Eckhart Tolle just to name a few. They all hold essentially the same view of ultimate reality. It's the general view known as Pantheistic Monism. I can't help it that you continue to be evasive about your view of the world. On your view, your argument is not with me anyway, it is with yourself. Of course, looking beyond the illusion of separateness, you already know that. :)