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To: SteveinTX who wrote (341438)	1/5/2010 8:42:54 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 793877

Is knock-out gas real? Yes and no, there are gasses that will put people out, but nothing that I know of that's both rapidly and reliably effective at doing that and at the same time safe in terms of having almost no chance of killing anyone or causing any sort of long term damage. There is a reason why anesthesiologists are well paid, and they only have to put out one person at a time under very controlled circumstances. ---------- Sunday, 27 October, 2002, 16:39 GMT Gas 'killed Moscow hostages' Almost all the 117 hostages who were killed when Russian troops stormed a Moscow theatre on Saturday died from gas poisoning, it has been admitted. Only one of those held for three days by Chechen rebels died of gunshot wounds, said Andrei Seltsovsky, chairman of the health committee of the city of Moscow. The statement came as the Russian authorities came under heavy pressure to reveal details about the type of gas used by special forces in their assault on the theatre. Up to 50 Chechen rebels were killed during the attack, but it remains unclear how many of them died from the effects of the gas, and how many were shot dead. Nearly 650 of the rescued hostages are still being treated for gas poisoning in hospital. Dr Seltsovsky told a news conference that 150 were in intensive care, and 45 remained in a critical condition. US demand One Russian expert said the gas used was a chemical weapons agent and blamed the high number of deaths on delays in administering the antidote. Lev Fyodorov, president of Russian's Union for Chemical Safety, told the BBC: "This was a military operation using non-lethal chemical weapons developed during the Cold War. "They would have been intended for a military opponent." As such, Mr Fyodorov said the authorities would be unable to prevent deaths of civilians in an enclosed space like the theatre. The Russian refusal to say which type of gas was used has irritated several western embassies in Russia... news.bbc.co.uk

To: SteveinTX who wrote (341438)	1/6/2010 2:06:25 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793877

Don't know T/A....maybe the spooks have figured out something, so we'll just have to see where that goes. BUT to be the devil's advocate about that...is it better that a whole plane of 150-300 people crash into the ground (or otherwise are killed by whatever the terrorist does), or would it be better to use a gas or taser that would perhaps kill some people, but not the entire planeload of passengers...? I guess if I had a choice about that, I'd choose gas with the possibility of waking up, rather than crashing to the ground, perhaps on fire, then be splattered all over the ground. Gruesome thought, I know. But I think we're at a place with these people we have to make some very hard choices.