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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (77112)	1/5/2010 1:41:18 PM
From: TimF	4 Recommendations Respond to of 224718

This new program is paid for. No it isn't. Tax payers will be paying for it. The cost it impose is real and important. The fact that it raises taxes is a cost, it doesn't make the cost go away. And the costs aren't just fiscal costs. It imposes costs all over the economy in terms of taxes and mandates. Also even in terms of the deficit (and zero increase in the deficit does not mean it pays for itself), it isn't "paid for". Even before the cost overruns (costs have been massively above estimates for almost every federal government health care program), the program will add to the deficit. To get "paid for" or close to that, the program counts 10 years of taxes against 6 years of fully active program costs. It also includes cuts that will almost definitely be canceled, and if any more favors to members of congress are given out, it will just make the fiscal effect of this program even worse. The idea that this program is in anyway paid for is a joke.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (77112)	1/5/2010 2:20:55 PM
From: jlallen	9 Recommendations Respond to of 224718

Conservatives did object. The toads in Congress did not.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (77112)	1/5/2010 3:52:59 PM
From: tonto	6 Recommendations Respond to of 224718

Nothing is paid for as you claimed when the FED has to print money. The way our government is spending money so recklessly, a good business contract would be maintaining the overworked printing presses.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (77112)	1/5/2010 5:39:37 PM
From: Honey_Bee	1 Recommendation Respond to of 224718

"....conservatives did not object." WRONG WRONG WRONG! .

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (77112)	1/5/2010 8:00:07 PM
From: MJ	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224718

There is a difference between then and now-----Bush was not making an attempt to totally take over the lives of citizens from birth (if they were not killed via abortion) to grave. Very few people even now have no idea what Part D is or was. What Americans do know is that Obamacare/Pelosi care/ and Reid care is a move to Socialized Medicine that has been tried in other nations and failed.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (77112)	1/5/2010 10:08:33 PM
From: Hope Praytochange	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224718

North Dakota Senator Will Retire By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN Published: January 5, 2010 WASHINGTON — Senator Byron L. Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota, announced abruptly on Tuesday that he would not seek re-election this year – a clear sign of the difficulties Democrats will face in defending their large Congressional majorities in the upcoming mid-term election.