To: one_less who wrote (82032 ) 1/6/2010 4:13:41 PM From: Greg or e Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 "You are defensive unnecessarily, hand waving, attempting an unfounded attack on me personally,..." I'm very sorry that you feel this discussion is a personal attack on you. I certainly do not intend it to be either. I think your position is wrong on it's merits but we can't get to discussing it because you take such great offense at me even identifying your position in any way. I am merely trying to understand where you are coming from. You seem to view this as a hill to die on. "Religionism forces one to view populations in division according to sects, denominations, idealisms, creeds, etc which are dominated by particular dogmatic order. The result is not faith, it is schism on the tail of animus. Those people/groups may all be categorized that way (Pantheistic Monism) by you faithless religionists wanting to claim exclusive possession of truth but that reveals more about said religionists than it accurately defines the other folks." To begin with, Your response to my (quite accurately) identifying your position as Pantheistic Monism: Message 26110688 where you declared the exclusive truth about the nature of ultimate reality to be Monistic, was to go on the attack. Your response was not simply "a truth about religionism" it was clearly a personal assault launched directly at me. Your use of the term "Religionism" is a pejorative characterization which you are ascribing to me personally. To which you added the further insult and accusation of "you faithless religionists" and claim to know my motives. The irony and hypocrisy of this, is that in doing so, you are committing the very same thing that you accuse me of, namely "schism on the tail of animus" or as I put it "OTHERING". Unlike you, I put no particular pejorative spin on identifying your position with Pantheistic Monism. No; my sin seems to be in recognizing that you have a position at all. I don't really see how we can ever have a reasonable discussion if you insist on such nonsense from the very beginning.