To: Hawkmoon who wrote (106204 ) 1/7/2010 8:36:31 PM From: Skeeter Bug 2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555 >>You might apply the SAME LOGIC to those Islamic Militants who have sworn, and are PURSUING a global Jihad against ALL non-Muslims.<< the rhetoric is old. Mish has it right. when attacked, your surgically respond and that's it. there will always be people that hate - heck, you want to exterminate the muslims that want to exterminate you. maybe we could set up an mma match and the proceeds of you guys beating each other could be used to feed the poor instead of make more of them. the fear mongering isn't working as the data doesn't support it. billions of muslims and only a couple attacks on america? bush's phony iraq war killed more americans than the terrorists! >>Yet, in Gaza we have Hamas leadership pledging to conquer not only Israel, but Rome, Europe, and the "Two Americas".<< excuse me while i wet myself b/c i'm so scared! -lol- >>That's a bit more of an agenda than just defending what they perceive is their territory.<< its absurd talk only given credibility by those with an agenda... >>No.. the point is that NO MATTER WHAT WE DO THEY ARE STILL GOING TO SEEK TO CONQUER AND SUBJUGATE US. It may take decades, if not centuries, but that's their game plan.<< you've lost it. the fear mongering is absurd. are you paid to spout this stuff? terrorism has increased in the nations that occupy muslim lands, kill muslim people on a regular basis and create millions of refugees. that's a fact. i go with the data. >>But from my perspective, all I seek is that they practice secular democracy so that their governments are accountable to the needs of their people (and those needs are great, if not insurmountable).<< and if they don't, you've got some bullets to eat as a shining example of our fascist-lite state? we aren't a democracy and we sure as h*ll don't have a government accountable to the needs of the people. >>Accountable governments are less likely to engage in outright aggression without some international legal basis.<< that explains our illegitimate war in iraq - our government isn't accountable. >>Accountable governments seek to better the lives of their citizens, NOT SACRIFICE THEM ON A RELIGIOUS JIHAD/CRUSADE.<< again, our government IS NOT accountable. they have sacrificed the nation to their god of greed. if evil needs to be exterminated, why not start at home? at least travel costs would be less. >>It wasn't too many centuries ago when Christianity was twisted and manipulated to justify wars of conquest/reconquest and it was heresy to question any decision by the Pope in Rome to wage a "holy war". That's no longer the case and few of in the West would submit to such a renewed call for a Crusade to "Christianize the heathens". Islam is struggling with it's own version of the Reformation and Enlightenment. We have a vested interest in making sure that the moderates and progressives ultimately win.<< it isn't working. more people hate us the more we kill, the more we occupy and the more refugees we make. very good for the murder business... not so good for others. >>As it would for the Jihadists seeking to control the world's largest deposits of oil.<< ahhhh, finally we get to the brass tax.