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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (82120)	1/9/2010 5:21:28 AM
From: one_less	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Nonsense ...

To: Greg or e who wrote (82120)	1/9/2010 9:57:23 AM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 82486

<His statements about the content of Monistic beliefs are factual doctrinal statements that are easily confirmed or refuted. > Actually there are dozens of interpretations of all these things: www.anybuddhistwebsite.com So actually nothing is refuted or confirmed... people have been arguing these things for ever. AWAKE! lol DAK

To: Greg or e who wrote (82120)	1/9/2010 5:54:38 PM
From: one_less	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

"You accused the man of constructing a Straw Man argument..." Yes. "...then failed completely when challenged to substantiate your accusation." False. I stated exactly how his article served to construct a strawman argument against groups of people. You ignored it. "His actual assertions are not empirical" >>>Of course they are. His statements about the content of Monistic beliefs are factual doctrinal statements that are easily confirmed or refuted. I have already said I can personally confirm the doctrinal statements he used/misused to be in general representative. You are just being dishonest about that. Holding you to your own standards where you demand "link or lie" that makes you are a liar. (Just being frank and honest here) I never lie. I made no statistical claim, nor did I say the specific references he use were false. I said his conclusions were bigoted and obviously so, and I said why. Numerous times: "I get the impression that he wants me to think, if you don't bow to his authority you are to be classified as foolish, irrational, unstable, contentless, moral-less, people void of conscience." If you think that characterisation false then declare here and now what is flawed about that characterisation and I will consider it. Now you are demanding a link? Link to what? Oh yeah, an authority of some sort, who will do something but we don't know what that is. No link is needed to something that is a simple observation made based on your preacher's silly article. "If you claimed that Christianity denies that Jesus is ... If I said the Christian doctrine focuses, even requires devotes to consider as central to the religion a ceremony where virtual blood and flesh are consumed, I would not be wrong. If I then demonstrated how Christians have been at the center of bloodletting and violence of the flesh the world over, even annihilating large groups of people to near extinction, from manifest destiny in the Americas, to torturous inquisitions in Spain, I would not be wrong. I could focus on how Christian doctrine has cannabalistic scripture and their history is replete with extremes of genocidal distruction. If I pointed out that even today the most unsafe country, not at war, in the world is the Christian country USA, I would be correct. And of course there are the scriptures the other people here have presented on that subject. According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005.[58] Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992).[59] 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape. en.wikipedia.org Assaults, Murders? Guess who is at the top of the list. USRank Countries Amount # 1 United States: 2,238,480 SOURCE: The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention) nationmaster.com If after presenting all of that, I conclude that Christians are a bloodthirsty and carnal lusting people, prone to violent and lascivious behavior, I would have the doctrine and history of Christian people to support my claim. Then, if I claimed that anyone not agreeing to bow to my pulpit would have been proven themselves to be foolish, moral-less, full of hate, and as lasciviously violent as the people I just described, I would be as guilty as your preacher of creating a straw man to get people to submit to my coercive authority. But I wouldn't do that because I think it is bigoted, hateful, and wrong. Who, in their right mind, would do such a thing? And there in lies the irony behind what you religionists do.