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To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (20686)1/14/2010 3:53:16 PM
From: Crimson Ghost24 Recommendations  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 50010
 
Slider

I must take exception to your constant attacks on the "left"

Aside from Ron Paul libertarians the only people firmly opposed to escalating war overseas is the left you hate so much. The real left not the so-called pro-Obama "leftists" who for the most part are to the right of Ronald Reagan and owned by the Israel lobby in many cases.

If Obama is a "leftist" why do so many republicans and neo-cons think his war mongering foreign policy is the greatest thing since sliced bread?



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (20686)1/14/2010 9:54:33 PM
From: alanrs6 Recommendations  Respond to of 50010
 
Nice post. Covered a lot of ground.

And to the criticism that it excessively bashed the left, I feel reasonable sure you could have slanted it to bash the right equally, and intimated as much in the post.

Way too much 'my team-your team' going on between people who haven't realized they were cut a long time ago.

ARS



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (20686)1/15/2010 1:41:38 AM
From: RMF  Respond to of 50010
 
Slider, I gave you your 23rd recommendation for that post.

That was a HECK of a post.

I somehow got 12 recommendations for my post. I don't know how the heck that happened.

I don't really CARE about Limbaugh and Beck. They're BOTH former DJ's and they're trying to build as much of an audience as they can. I can understand that.

The thing I DON'T like is that they are building their audience by SKEWING things and playing to the MASSES. It's "lowest common denominator" stuff.

They don't bring people on to tell people WHAT we should do, they only ATTACK what we are doing. Attacking things is EASY and POPULAR but offering reasonable alternatives is TOUGH and doesn't always play well.




To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (20686)1/15/2010 8:04:44 PM
From: Proud Deplorable7 Recommendations  Respond to of 50010
 
Is the the same Glenn Beck that called Ron Paul supporters "domestic terrorists"? Beck isn't who you think he is. I don't care if he smokes bananas, he is the biggest liar in the media and a war monger. He makes me PUKE!

Open Letter To Glenn Beck By Alex Jones
infowars.com

snippet
"In addition, you aggressively attacked Ron Paul and his supporters during the election campaign when it looked like the Texan Congressman might have a real chance of winning the nomination. You implied that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists and should be dealt with by the U.S. Army, but later tried to side with Ron Paul supporters when the infamous and discredited MIAC report echoed your own talking point that people who support Ron Paul were dangerous.

The smear came during a November 2007 show when you were still hosting on CNN. Yourself and ex-Marxist David Horowitz smeared Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive. When asked about the issue, Ron Paul dismissed you as “pretty discourteous” and a “demagogue”.

You Glenn Beck have acted as a cheerleader for the wars of aggression launched since 9/11 and in addition called for Iran to be attacked, claiming that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is preparing a “second holocaust.” Once again, these political opinions stand completely contrary to libertarian principles, which follow the founding fathers’ view that an expansionist aggressive foreign policy is bad for America."



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (20686)1/18/2010 9:22:53 PM
From: SliderOnTheBlack19 Recommendations  Respond to of 50010
 
Nazi Survivor Warns America About Obama Socialism...

84 year old Kitty Werthmann describes her life as a young
woman in Austria, under Hitler's Nazi rule

In the speech below, she describes how Austria was seduced
by false promises, new social programs, and slick oratory;
and warns America the same thing is happening here.

"Socialism Vs. Freedom"

By Kitty Werthmann

sdfamily.org

Hitler's Slick Seduction Of Austria

"What I'm about to tell you is something you've probably never read, or will ever read in history books. I believe that I'm an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected Hitler by 98% of the vote. I've never read that in any American publication. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria over.

Let No Good Crisis Go To Waste

In 1938, Austria was in deep depression. We had nearly one third of our workforce unemployed, 25% inflation, and a 25% interest rate from banks. Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy every day. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn't want to work, but there simply wasn't any work. My mother was a very devout woman who believed that you have to help the people in need. I remember she had a big kettle of soup every day, on the stove, and we baked bread to feed those poor hungry people, about thirty each day.

Selling Hope And Change

The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna, Lenzt, and Grotz were being destroyed. The people became desperate, and petitioned the government to let the people decide what kind of government they wanted. We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime. But they did have a high living standard.

There was nothing being said of persecution of anyone, Jewish or otherwise, just that every one was happy. We wanted the same thing for Austria. We were promised that if we would vote for Hitler, everyone would be employed in two or three weeks, and he would help the family. He also said that businesses would be helped. And the farmers would get their farms back.

98% of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany, and have Hitler be our ruler. We were so joyful that for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades.

Hitler Installs Unelected Czars & Centralizes Government

Once the Nazis took control, the people no longer voted for government positions anymore; all positions down to the local level were filled by appointment.

In the interest of a supposedly more efficient government, the Nazis decided to centralize all government between Germany and Austria.

Hitler Nationalizes Banks, Auto Production, Health Care

Hitler nationalized (socialized) the banks, health care, automobile production, education, and more.

Even the churches were nationalized under Hitler. The government said the churches needed repairs, so a “church tax” was created. This led to the silencing of pastors because they feared they would lose their funding if they spoke out.

They opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed. After the election, everyone was appointed from Germany. Like a miracle, suddenly we had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was being created by the Public Work Service.

Destroy The Family & Religion: Replace God With Government

Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married women did not work outside of the home. The husband would be looked down (upon) because he couldn't support a family. The teaching profession was overjoyed that women could go back to the jobs they gave up for marriage.

Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good school; 98% of the population was Catholic at that time, so we had religion in our schools. the day we elected Hitler, March 13, 1938, I walked into my schoolroom and where we had a crucifix it was replaced with Hitler's picture and the flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class that we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore.

We sang Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles and had physical education instead. Our parents were not happy about the sudden change.

Compulsory Youth Corps: Organize, Then Indoctrinate The Youth

On Sunday, we had National Youth Day. It was compulsory to attend. We were told if our parents would not send us on Sunday, they would get a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of three hundred dollars, and the third time they would be subject to jail. As time went along, we loved it. The first two hours we had political indoctrination. The rest of the day, we had sports. We all had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and tell our parents, gleefully, what a wonderful time we were having.

Alienate Youth From Family: Give Youth Special Rights

Children were told to listen only to Hitler and not to listen to their parents. The children were allowed to play sports after political education and the boys could do things like ride motorcycles and learn to fly gliders. This resulted in the children enjoying this time, and if their parents didn’t like it, the children would argue with their parents because the state had told them they had many rights beyond what their parents allowed them

My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn't do that, and she told me that someday when I grew up, I might be grateful. I almost hated my mother. It was a very good curriculum; hardly any fun, no sports and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first, but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while on holidays I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their lifestyle was very alarming to me.

By that time, it was glorified to be an unwed mother; to have a baby for Hitler. They lived a very loose lifestyle, without religion. It seemed strange to me that all of this changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did, so that I wasn't exposed to that kind of philosophy.

Mass Food Stamp Usage Leads To Food Rationing

In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. That meant all food was rationed and you couldn't buy anything without food-stamps. At the same time, the Full Employment Law was passed. Which meant if you didn't work, you didn't get a ration card, and if you didn't have one, you starved to death. The women who stayed home and raised their family for years and didn't have any skills often had to take a job that was for men.

Compulsory Military Service For Men & Women

Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male or female, to give one year in the Labor Core. During the day, the girls had to work on the farms and then at night, they returned to their barracks and had their military training just like the men. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and in the Signal Core. After the Labor Core, they were not discharged, but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria and visit my friends, most of those women are emotional cripples, because they just were not geared to the same thing that men did in combat.

Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air-raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the Labor Core, and into the military service.

Destroy The Family To Build Loyalty To The State

Socially, Hitler had to restructure the family. When the mothers had to go out into the work-force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could bring your child from age four weeks on up to school age, and leave them there 24 hours a day, seven days a week, under the total absolute care of the state. There were no motherly women there to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. They raised a whole generation by state.

The Seduction Of Hope And Change Wears Off & Reality Sets In

By that time, no one talked about equal rights, we knew we had been had.

Before Hitler, we had very good medicine. Many doctors from America came over to train at the University of Vienna. After Hitler, all the health care was socialized; free for everyone. The doctors were all salaried by the government.

Socialized Health Care Fails: System Overwhelmed, Morale Collapses

The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at eight O'clock in the morning, forty people were already waiting, and at the same time, the hospitals were full.

If a doctor prescribed a medicine not on the government-approved list, the government would take the cost of the medicine out of the doctor’s salary.

If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two until your turn came.

There was no money for research because they poured it all into free medicare for everybody. Work at the medical schools was literally stopped, so the doctors left and went to other countries.

New Government Programs Today = Massive Tax Increases Tomorrow

As for welfare, our tax rates went up to 80%.

Any young couple who got married immediately received a one thousand dollar loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day-care and education was free. Going to college was subsidized, and high school was taken over by the government. Everyone who was entitled to something, whether it was food-stamps, clothing, or subsidized housing, was given it by the government.

New Government Bureaucracies Destroy Small Business

We had another agency designed to control the businesses. I had a brother-in-law who's restaurant had square tables and chairs. The government told him he had to have round tables because people can bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have more bathroom facilities. It was just a small business; a dairy business with a snack bar. His business couldn't survive with all the demands. Soon, he went out of business.

If the government owned the large businesses, and not many small businesses existed, they could be in control.

We had consumer protection. We were told how we should shop, and what we should buy. Free enterprise was literally abolished. We had a planning agency, especially designed for farmers and private property owners. The agents would go to the farms, count the livestock, then tell the farmer what to produce and how to produce it.

Eugenics And The Complete Lives Systems

In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villages were surrounded by mountain passes which in the winter were closed off, with snow causing people to be isolated. So people inter-married. By genetic, the offspring were often retarded. When I got there I was told there were fifteen adult mentally retarded people, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one named Vincent really well. He was the janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior what they were doing. She said it was the state health department, taking him to an institution to teach him a trade, and to read and write. The families had to sign a paper. The paper had a little clause that they could not visit for six months, because it would interfere with their program and they might get homesick.

When the six months passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not ignorant. We suspected what was happening. Those people all left in excellent physical health, and all died within six months. We called this euthanasia.

Gun Registration Leads To Gun Confiscation

Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler also said that the real way to catch the criminals (and we still had a few) was by the serial numbers of the guns, so we had to register our guns. Most of the people were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station and registered their guns. Not long afterward, they said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. They already knew who had the guns, so you had to turn them in, or they would come and get them.

Gun Confiscation Leads To Dictatorship & Round Up Of Dissenters

We knew then that we had a full dictatorship. No more freedom of speech. If you said anything against the government, you were taken away. We knew many people who were taken away, not only Jews, but priests and ministers.

Forced Spying: We could trust no one

The Gestapo then used the food rationing and welfare system to force people to spy on their boss, their friends,, and their neighbors. We couldn't trust the mailman. We couldn't trust
the plumber. We couldn't trust our friends,And people disappeared all the time.

Boiling The Frog: Slow, Gradual, And Incremental Steps Into Hell

It didn't come overnight, it took five years from 1938 until 1943 to graduate into dictatorship. If we (would have) had a dictatorship overnight, we would have fought to our last breath, but we had creeping gradualism.

Now we had nothing except broom-handles. Had we kept our guns, we would have fought a bloody battle.

Keep your guns.

Buy more guns and plenty of ammunition.

The whole thing was almost unbelievable; that you can feed all this to the masses, little by little and no one would object.

It's true, those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty, came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity. America is the greatest country in the world. Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go.

That's right.

After America, there is no place to go.

If we lose freedom in America, we lose freedom everywhere.

There will be no place to run."

By Kitty Werthman

Kitty Werthman came to the United States in 1950, become a naturalized
citizen in 1962, and now resides in North Dakota.

newzeal.blogspot.com

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You can see a video of her talk at the link below, which covers
more than the article above:

sdfamily.org

Werthmann also recalled an incident in 1985 she was invited by President Ronald Reagan to attend the summit between himself and Soviet President Gorbachev in Switzerland.

While there, she infiltrated the “peace movement,” which was there just to support Gorbachev. She marched with Bella Abzug, Barbara Boxer and Jesse Jackson while dressed “like a hippie.”

She said Abzug greeted a woman who was in the German Parliament and told her there was a private meeting the next day with Gorbachev and she was invited.

Werthmann said she talked to a woman there who told her she and her fellow communists were working their way against the U.S. starting in Nicaragua, Honduras, and eventually with an eye to attack the U.S. through Mexico.

The woman told her they would do this by getting massive numbers of illegals into the U.S. and pushing the sanctuary movement. Werthmann said when she saw illegal immigrant marches in California carrying the Mexican flag and trampling the American flag, she knew this was actually happening.

She said America is the greatest country in the world… if we can keep it. Werthmann said she is an optimist, that we are still a Christian nation, and God is still on his throne. She encouraged Americans to fight for this great country and to not lose our freedoms.

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Sounds just like the warning issued by Naomi Wolf in
"The End Of America" doesn't it?

How many more times do we need to hear the same story,
and receive the same warning?

How long will it be, before America finally connects the dots,
and awakens from apathy and denial?

Slow, gradual, and incremental steps.

The same steps.

The same blueprint.

Just like they said it would be...

"Americans will never knowingly adopt socialism, but, under
the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of
the socialist program, until one day America will be a
socialist nation, without knowing how it happened".

-- Norman Thomas, six times presidential candidate for the
American Socialist Party, quote from 1944.

“You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism
outright. But we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism
until you finally wake up and find you already have communism.”

-- Soviet Premier Nikita Krushchev



SOTB

PS: Of everything Kitty Werthman had to say, remember these words:

"The whole thing was almost unbelievable; that you can feed all
this to the masses, little by little and no one would object."

Just like boiling a frog.

Just like they said it would be.

Totalitarian socialism run by monopoly finance capital.

Big government in the service of big business.



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (20686)1/20/2010 12:11:06 PM
From: Jack Hartmann1 Recommendation  Respond to of 50010
 
Carl Bernstein, the Pulitzer Prize winning reporter,
was a high school drop out at age 16.


Bernstein graduated from Montgomery Blair High School in Silver Spring, Maryland. He subsequently attended the University of Maryland, College Park. (There he dropped out)



To: SliderOnTheBlack who wrote (20686)1/24/2010 3:52:00 PM
From: larryjoe5 Recommendations  Respond to of 50010
 
The Creed of Freedom

Thanks SOTB for the Edward Griffin link, very good.

Long read, but worth it, imho......

"The purpose of government is, not to
grant rights, but to secure them and protect them......"

freedomforceinternational.org