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To: RetiredNow who wrote (545594)	1/22/2010 1:45:21 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573850

No, thats another of your misrepresentations. As I and others have said before, technological breakthroughs (and a series of major ones are needed before we can stop using fossil fuels) aren't guaranteed simply because we have the political will to bet our future on them. At this point, solar and biofuels and new energy storage means should be major research areas .... but they're not to the level we can depend on them to run our economy yet ... pretending they are and prematurely building a major industry on uneconomic technologies would be extremely foolish. Everyone recognizes this ... I'm sure you do yourself. But go on. Keep beclowing yourself.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (545594)	1/22/2010 1:46:44 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Respond to of 1573850

Whooooosh!!!

To: RetiredNow who wrote (545594)	1/27/2010 4:37:01 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573850

Enviros stop bat shredder farm Cape Wind project in MA killed by liberal Democrats, 13 solar projects in Mojave killed by Sen. Feinstein, WV wind farm killed by liberal greens. The liberal war on alternative energy continues. “The wind power industry has suffered a setback as U.S. District Judge Roger Titus has ruled wind turbines under construction on a mountain ridge in West Virginia would kill and injure thousands of endangered Indiana bats. With his December 8 decision Titus brought work on the $300 million wind farm project in picturesque Greenbrier County to a screeching halt. … The legal challenge to the wind farm came from two environmental groups–the Washington, DC-based Animal Welfare Institute and the West Virginia-based Mountain Communities for Responsible Energy–and David Cowen, a local spelunker. … The proliferation of wind farms and solar energy facilities in previously undeveloped areas has unleashed a backlash within the environmental movement, of which the West Virginia court case is but one example. “The greens don’t want alternative energy either,” said Robert J. Smith, senior fellow with the National Center for Public Policy Research. “Yes, they love it in theory, or at least promise its acceptance and approval if we will just get rid of the polluting energy sources of the past. But once an actual project is proposed and planning gets underway for a facility large enough to light anything other than a two-room apartment, the greens are up in arms to bring it to a halt. “There are enough listed species [under the Endangered Species Act] spread across the continent and enough obscure and little-known species that could be listed that almost any type of energy project anywhere could be halted,” Smith added. “In fact, the FWS has already suggested that the Indiana bat is also subject to coal-mining impacts in West Virginia, so the bat trumps energy from the air or from the ground.”” “Judge Halts West Virginia Wind Farm to Save Bats“ heliogenic.net

To: RetiredNow who wrote (545594)	1/27/2010 4:38:26 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 1573850

Wind's Chill Factor Posted 01/26/2010 06:54 PM ET Energy: The government says wind power could supply the eastern half of the U.S. with a fifth of its electricity by 2024. Just don't try building wind farms where someone might see them. [ Or where bats or birds might fly. ] A claim is contained in a new study released by the Energy Department's National Renewable Energy Laboratory, and technically it might be true. But we've heard these overblown predictions before, and experience around the world with heavily subsidized alternative energy has not worked out well. The area in question, called the Eastern Interconnection, is a grid extending roughly from the western borders of the Plains states through to the Atlantic Coast, excluding most of Texas. It includes Nantucket, where supporters of the Cape Wind project have been tilting at windmills for years. The Cape Wind project proposes erecting 130 wind turbines that would generate electricity equivalent to about 75% of Cape Cod's energy needs. The best site is Horseshoe Shoal in Nantucket Sound. Unfortunately, this body of water sits between the Kerry home on Nantucket Island and the Kennedy compound at Hyannis Port on the Cape and might spoil the view. [ The best spot in NE for wind power is between the Kennedy compound and Kerry's house? Is this proof God is a conservative? Consider the phenomena of global warming rallies, protests, and conferences to attract blizzards also. ;>) ] Considering the resistance this one project has had, one wonders how you build the wind farms and the 22,697 miles of EHV (electric high voltage) transmission lines to service the Eastern Interconnection. The time frame is short: 14 years. The cost is exorbitant: $93 billion just for the transmission lines. And the question is a big one: Where do you put them for proper power reach? As we've evolved from a NIMBY (not in my backyard) nation to a full-fledged BANANA (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anybody) republic, power lines aren't too popular. Seems that every other square foot is the protected habitat of an endangered critter or a "pristine" part of the earth that must be preserved. Wind turbines generally operate at only 20% efficiency compared with 85% for coal, gas and nuclear plants. A single 1,000-megawatt nuclear power plant would generate more dependable power than 2,800 1.5-megawatt occasionally operating wind turbines sitting on 175,000 acres. Wind provides only 1% of our electricity compared with 49% for coal, 22% for natural gas, 19% for nuclear power and 7% for hydroelectric. To replace natgas' 22% with wind would require building 300,000 1.5-megawatt turbines occupying an area the size of South Carolina. Again, ask the NIMBYs where they want them. We have advocated a new Manhattan Project to build new nuclear power plants. We are the Saudi Arabia of coal, and our shale oil reserves by themselves dwarf Saudi oil reserves by a factor of three. And this doesn't count the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge or the Outer Continental Shelf. As the men of La Mancha have found out, tilting at windmills may be entertaining, but the answer to our economic and energy woes is not blowin' in the wind. investors.com

To: RetiredNow who wrote (545594)	1/27/2010 4:38:57 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573850

Oregon alternative energy boondoggle “primary factor in growing budget deficit” “Reversing course on a policy strongly supported by environmental activists, Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski (D) has announced his support for cutting runaway subsidies for wind and solar power projects. … Under a law enacted in 2007, Oregon gives solar power projects up to $20 million apiece in tax credits over the life of the project. Wind power projects are given up to $10 million each. … When the Kulongoski administration proposed the tax credits in 2006, state officials told the legislature the program would cost roughly $1 million per year over its first five years. The program actually cost the state $23 million per year in 2007-09, with rapidly escalating costs likely to put the program’s total cost at $167 million–an average of $35 million per year–by 2011 when the program reaches five years old. The out-of-control subsidies have become a primary factor in the state’s growing budget deficit, which has forced the legislature to raise taxes and cut spending on education and other core programs. … A 2009 series of investigative reports by the Portland Oregonian uncovered evidence state officials deliberately low-balled the expected cost of the tax credits. Documents obtained by the Oregonian under the state’s public records law showed Kulongoski’s staff had determined the program would cost many times more than the $1 million per year price tag the administration reported to the legislature. “There have been many exposés showing that the numbers used to sell the program to the legislature were either cooked or inaccurate,” Lunch said. … [ What? Democrats lie about the cost of their programs? Who could have guessed that. ] In addition to costing far more than advertised, the subsidies have delivered few benefits. Records show millions of dollars have been given to failed companies that produced little or no renewable power.” “Oregon Governor Reverse Course on Renewable Power” [ Do like Obama's people do about jobs "created or saved" - lie about the benefits. ] heliogenic.net