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To: koan who wrote (545716)	1/23/2010 10:29:37 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1577146

"but it was innocent people ike you that helped the Hitler's get in power in the name of the "Fatherland"." That would be the socialists, people like you

To: koan who wrote (545716)	1/23/2010 8:36:21 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577146

but it was innocent people ike you that helped the Hitler's get in power in the name of the "Fatherland". Support for freedom and human rights and a small unintrusive state, and the rule of law rather than of man, didn't help get Hitler in to power. Those ideas don't fit well with Hitler's words, ideas, or actions. People wanting "a strong leader", and one who would contain, control, or eliminate "undesirables" helped Hitler in to power. That's pretty much the opposite of my ideas, but in general terms and in this specific discussion. The New York times does not contribute to campaigns. Neither can other companies even after this decision. But they can now endorse candidates, as the New York Times has regularly done. You think Goldman sachs has your best interests in mind and plays fair? Not particularly (but probably as much as most elected officials, parties, or political organizations). What does that have to do with anything. If you don't have my best interest in heart should your freedom of speech be infringed on? You want to defend Goldman Sachs? I defending their rights, not all of their actions or attitudes.

To: koan who wrote (545716)	1/25/2010 5:18:32 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 1577146

The NYT certainly pushes political candidates and the value of its support is worth plenty. Should other corporations have to buy printing presses of their own to have free speech? All of them took bribes from the OIL companies and all 12 are Republicans. Not one dem! That OK with you? Course it isn't OK, but one has to wonder who the Democrats up there are taking bribes from? Bush's treasury secretary was Paulson, who was the CEO of Goldman Sachs. The OBama administration is crawling with Goldman alumni too: Bob Hormats was sworn in as Under Secretary of State for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs, who helped to enrich the genocidal regime in Sudan, caused me to wonder how many Goldman alumni occupy positions of power in THIS administration Robert Rubin, former Goldman chairman and key architect of our ill-fated financialized economy. Rubin’s protege include Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, NEC Director Larry Summers, Michael Froman, Jason Furman and Assistant Treasury Secretary Michael Brill. Furman, OMB Director Peter Orszag and Undersecretary of the Treasury for International Affairs-designate Lael Brainard were all closely associated with Rubin’s think tank, the Hamilton Project, housed at the Brookings Institute. But Goldman’s influence in the White House is not limited to the Rubin network. In addition to Hormats, at least five Goldman alumni hold high-level positions in the administration. Mark Patterson, whose appointment as Chief of Staff at Treasury highlighted Obama’s willingness to make arbitrary exceptions to his new ethics policies, was Goldman’s chief D.C. lobbyist. Diana Farrell, Deputy Director of the National Economic Council, worked at Goldman for several years in the late 1980s. Philip Murphy, recently nominated to be ambassador to Germany, spent 23 years at Goldman, rising to the position of senior director. More than nine months into the new administration, two Bush holdovers with Goldman ties have managed to hold on to influential positions at Treasury. Former Goldman VP Neel Kashkari, Henry Paulson’s ballyhooed choice to hand out TARP funds, continues to administer the program as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Stability. One of the more alarming of the Goldman-turned-regulators is Karthik Ramanathan, who traded derivatives in Goldman’s London and New York offices prior to this appointment as Assistant Secretary for Financial Markets by Bush. He now serves in the same role as an interim capacity. answers.yahoo.com Bush and Paulson gave AIG 182 billion dollars of our money no questions asked, and no disclosure, and then funneled it to Goldman Sachs. YOu like the smell of that? Why did Senator Obama vote for that?