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To: Garden Rose who wrote (273360)	1/24/2010 5:47:47 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk, if Israel gave back their illegally gotten lands, there would be peace. Until then you'll have resistance to occupation. One.. no international body has ruled (that I know of) that they were "illegally gotten". Every bit of land gained since their 1948 declaration of independence has been taken as the result of DEFENDING THEMSELVES FROM AGGRESSION BY NEIGHBORING ARABS THAT CONTROLLED THOSE LANDS. Nothing illegal about occupying land from which your nation has been previously attacked. If those people did not want their land taken, they (or their government) should not have waged a war against Israel! Now.. to back up my point, most of the Palestinian proposals have submitted that they would accede to returning to 1967 borders, thereby rewarding their aggression by withholding territorial penalties. But the 1949 armistice (not peace mind you) that SET the borders that were observed between 1949 and 1967, were approved due to the aggression that would committed by every Arab neighbor to Israel. So there is CERTAINLY A PRECEDENT for Israel demanding territorial penalties in exchange for peace. If the Arabs are pushing to have the 1967 borders restored, why not the 1948 borders?!! Thus, it's clear that the Palestinian position is rhetorical, and not really founded in precedent. But AS OF RIGHT NOW, there is no political party within the Palestinian Authority that can credibly represent them in any future territorial negotiations with the Israelis. Although the PA as an entity supposedly "recognizes" Israel, neither Fatah, nor Hamas, as governing parties, recognizes Israel's right to exist. The answer, if even possible, is for the Palestinians to take what they can CURRENTLY get. Then they must PROVE TO THE WORLD, as well as the Israelis, that they can be trusted and peaceful members of the global community who are focused on economic development. As I mentioned in a previous post, there's nothing preventing both Israel and the Palestinians SHARING the land within their own respective states. They should be focusing on forming an effective confederation for mutual benefit to their respective peoples. THAT IS WHEN THERE WILL BE PEACE. However, the course the Palestinians are currently on will do nothing but alienate every secular government in the region. The problem is that the militant religious rhetoric coming from Hamas has effectively backed itself into a political corner that they cannot escape from. Only the Palestinians can change that by changing saying they're tired of being martyrs and it's time for a change of government. Hawk