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To: Garden Rose who wrote (273580)	1/26/2010 7:25:37 PM
From: Hawkmoon	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk, no problem with terrorists that can't be cured by a better US policy in the Middle East. Yeah... we can target for elimination every one of those bastards we find proclaiming global Jihad and attempting to recruit young boys/girls to strive for martyrdom. But more importantly, we can support progressive development and education that provides realistic economic alternatives for those young people so they can see these religious fanatics for what they are. The existence of Israel is nothing more than an excuse for the failure of Islamic culture to provide for the material needs of their people. It's also jealousy as they focus on a society and culture that has achieved far more economic and social progress than themselves. And just by looking at the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, your logic is revealed to be dysfunctional: "The Muslim Brotherhood (Jamiat al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun) was established in Egypt in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna and soon spead to other countries. Their ideology is that Islam is "creed and state, book and sword, and a way of life." By this they hope to spread the idea that it isn't possible to live in an Islamic society unless the whole of society, including the government, is run according to strict Islamic principles. It has also been a guiding principle of the Brotherhood that Muslims must establish a pan-Islamic state, transcending all current political and geographic divisions. The ideal leader of this state should be a Caliph, an office modeled after the leaders of the Muslims just after the death of Muhammad. According to al-Banna. The notion of nationalism...melts away and disappears just a snow disappears after strong, sparkling sunlight falls upon it, by contrast with Islamic brotherhood, which the Qur'an instils in the souls of all those who follow it. Like all Islamists, al-Banna was opposed to loyalty to nation, ethnicity, race or class: only loyalty to the one truth faith of Islam was important, because Islam was the only thing that mattered. Thus, he was opposed to the very existence of a nation-state, and became violently opposed to one which failed to impose the laws of Islam. Of course, the fact that modern Arab states were essentially established by Western powers did not help, because al-Banna was just as opposed to the West." atheism.about.com No mention of Israel in the above stated agenda of the Muslim Brotherhood, now is there?? And the MB is the parent organization of both Hamas and Al Qaida. SO THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT ISRAEL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR ULTIMATE AGENDA. Israel represents nothing more than a Western Culture that exists right in the center of "Dar Al-Islam" (House of Islam) which must be destroyed first. And if we permit Israel to be destroyed and wiped off the face of the earth as a nation (which is what you are advocating) and you'll only further the above militant theological beliefs within Islam. Once Israel is gone, they turn their attention to Al-Andalus (Spain) to reclaim that part of "Dar Al-Islam". And then, if they can remain organized and united, Europe and then the "Two Americas". They have a long-term plan which they believe cannot be altered because it is the "will of Allah". You're a fool to believe anything different. So if you want to keep on deluding yourself, that's your business and you're welcome to hoist up your white flag anytime you so desire. The rest of are not about to sit around while militants, such as these, attempt to execute their agenda of global religious conquest. Hawk