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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (129574)	1/29/2010 11:12:26 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 542597

And blame the filibuster, under which 41 senators can make the country ungovernable, if they choose — and they have so chosen. Soooo, democrats with 59 senators are going to sit in a corner pouting and blame republicans? If that's the best Krugman and liberals can come up with they don't deserve to rule. Doris Kearns Goodwin had a great solution last night on Jon Stewart; pass a great bill and let the republicans go ahead and filibuster. Democrats did that in the 60's(?) on civil rights and after many days of filibustering the republicans caved and legislation was passed. BUT, the key here is you have to have a great bill that Americans can understand and want. The idea here is that republicans will look stupid and that will then break this cute trick of threatening democrats each time they propose something - with a filibuster. Doris said that rules are such that you can't eat or even go potty and you have to keep talking .....republicans will look like jackasses and we can get on with governing.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (129574)	1/29/2010 4:25:08 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542597

Mary, it pains me to say this but I think Krugman is wrong. Obama tried taking the route of treating the American voters like thinking adults and the results were catastrophic. Health care took a popularity plunge into near leprosy status, Democratic candidates took it in the ear (that's being generous) and the message machine of the Republicans...fed by their Madison Avenue deep pocketed supporters...prevailed. Krugman wants to take the high road and message the truth but his readership isn't the audience moving to the right. Those people aren't reading the Times and I think a few gimmicks are in order. This isn't, after all, a Democratic primary or an election year when a Bush/Cheney nightmare has become clear to the less informed among us. Why not neutralize the Republican message, or better yet, put the Republicans in the position of deriding their own talking points? Ed