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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (273845)	2/2/2010 11:50:30 AM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Who are you kidding? Most of these Arab states would not exist today were it not for the efforts of the West. The west defeated their imperial Ottoman masters and gave them the opportunity to unite. Wow, keep your pants on Hawk. That was not the question. Look at your contradiction in you statement. How could partitioning be a uniter? And were it not for our technological advances, there would have been none of the machinery available that is required to drill for water (which is what the Saudis were ORIGINALLY looking for), not to mention oil. Did they pay for it? They payed for it with treasure and blood. It was American, British, and French technology that gave these Arab countries the ability to exploit their natural resources. We did not do it because we like them, we did it because of cheap energy. And ultimately, what they received in exchange were efforts to forcibly nationalize their businesses and seize their assets. Of course, wouldn't have done the same? The key word exploit. The west did not only exploit the resource but also the people. Corporation never pay their fair share, that holds true everywhere in the world. Kind of like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. And look at his economy now. They are better off than before. I stand by my statement "The Arab countries that you talk about did not get a handout, thus, we did not give it to them." These countries bought our goods and it was not charity, we are getting cheap energy out of them.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (273845)	2/2/2010 12:28:09 PM
From: Sdgla	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk, let's discuss all the contributions that have come out of all those oil rich ME countries : 1. Jihad introduced to the world. 2. Humans masquerading as an IED. That about does it... Of course there also is, as shown by sarmaniac, f'd up clock and garden compost, the failure to take responsibility for ones own life and blame Jews, Christians and America for their complete inability to create anything other than misery for all that come into contact with their sorry excuses. Sdgla

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (273845)	2/2/2010 1:02:36 PM
From: Broken_Clock	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The west defeated their imperial Ottoman masters and gave them the opportunity to unite. --- Flat out lie. Prove it.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (273845)	2/2/2010 6:34:10 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The west defeated their imperial Ottoman masters and gave them the opportunity to unite. Hawk the way the Middle East was divided was not in the interests of the locals... That's pretty evident if you look at the history.. It was more Imperialism.. different Imperialists.. Not sure but wasn't it Wilson that had to forgo his fair division of the Middle East for the success of the League of Nations.. Lloyd George said give Syria to France.. It's worthless ;o) Even Arabia one tidbit: The United Kingdom agreed in the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence that it would support Arab independence if they revolted against the Ottomans. The two sides had different interpretations of this agreement. In the event, the United Kingdom and France reneged on the original deal and divided up the area in ways unfavourable to the Arabs under the 1916 Sykes-Picot Agreement. Further confusing the issue was the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which promised support for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine. The Hedjaz region of western Arabia became an independent state under Hussein's control, until 1927, when, abandoned and isolated by the British policy - which had shifted support to the al Saud family - it was conquered by Saudi Arabia, ending an era of over 600 years of Hashemite stewardship of the holy land of Islam. [edit] See also Realpolitick of 1918 caused much the current political turmoil in the Middle East. Meddling west.,.. On the other hand to steal a line from one of my all time fav flics.. So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are.