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To: Scott C. Lemon who wrote (18339)	11/4/1997 12:54:00 AM
From: David A. Lethe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Hi Scott: OK we finally agree on JAVA/NLMs and everything in our most recent exchanges of comments... >Yes, but I'm still not impressed when I compare it to Visual C++ or Visual Basic ... Microsoft has done a slick job with it's developer tools ... Check out the brand new JDK for the AS400... very sexy, however it is certainly out of the price range of the average developer. Give IBM credit, they see JAVA as being very important in the future to spend all of those millions in R&D for it. >But I am somewhat confused by your statement ... when you say "run serve) application code." you are talking about two completely different things ... I think. To "run" the code means execution on the NetWare platform ... to "serve" the code could be to deliver the code to a client platform for execution (as in serving a web page). I should of just said that netware needs to have a killer JVM with some nifty value-added features (applets). See IBMs new announcement, they have the right idea. >I'm not sure what you are comparing here ... I'm guessing that a parallel arguement would be that you tend to waste time with such unknown technologies such as SSA (which I too believe is technically superior) while the press, manufacturers, and the world are talking non-stop about Fibre OK Scott, this one hurts :) First IBM SSA has been shipping since 94, and has sold almost 2 petabytes. Seagate, hasn't even frozen the firmware in their disk drives yet!!! SSA generally outperforms fiber, and is cheaper. SSA can be hot-swapped, and has built-in redundancy. As it is a serial loop technology, I can do concurrent non-arbitrated reads and writes to disks. Just try doing that with SCSI or Fiber. Several vendors even ship SSA subsystems and controllers with Novell-certified SSA drivers. I can sustain nearly 60 MB/sec per SSA controller in a Compaq. David

To: Scott C. Lemon who wrote (18339)	11/4/1997 2:00:00 PM
From: Mark A. Forte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

To ALL Novl ownership in Corel. Why doesn't Novell spin Corel off to its stockholders? That might make Novl move a little. The spinoff could make the market value of Novl move up enough to cover the operation.

To: Scott C. Lemon who wrote (18339)	11/4/1997 5:50:00 PM
From: Paul Fiondella	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42771

Re: JAVA & NOVL "...But I am somewhat confused by your statement ... when you say "run (serve) application code." you are talking about two completely different things ... I think. To "run" the code means execution on the NetWare platform ... to "serve" the code could be to deliver the code to a client platform for execution (as in serving a web page). NetWare is perfectly oriented to provide high-performance, reliable services (which could be written in Java, and require no GUI ... such as a POP3 or IMAP4 server) and it can also "serve" or deliver client components to the client machines on the network ..." ========================== Scott the real question here is whether JAVA code written to display a data entry screen on the client and access a server based data base can have the data returned efficiently by the Novell server. (think CGI and HTML for inefficiency) Most "custom" applications written on the client in an intranet environenmt will be for the typical general ledger, accounting, database functions that brought about the need for shared data and built Novell as a company in the first place. These are the "tools" that Novell has to put in place on the server. I'm not sure anybody at Novell understands this except posiibly Denice who is now gone. ================================== I see you mention getting back from Russia. Did you get out of Moscow into the real Russia? Visit any interesting places? Or should I rather ask did you get into Moscow without a $50 cab ride? Eat anything Russian?