To: Casaubon who wrote (107937 ) 2/5/2010 11:33:04 AM From: Hawkmoon Respond to of 116555 The logic is sound enough but, we have been at war almost every single day of my entire life. Shouldn't we have cured something by now? Every day? Who's we.. the entire world? I can remember quite a few days when we've not been at war. Listen.. democratic reform is the only way, IMO, to provide some semblance of hope that humanity will not be warring with one another. Democratic government makes not only that leadership, but the citizenry, accountable. The Palestinians elected the militant Muslim group, Hamas, when they become so sick of the corruption of Fatah. But all they really accomplished was to elect a bunch of religious fanatics who are EVEN MORE corrupt. They hide all of their corruption behind the words "Allah willing", but it's still corruption and aggression. But the Palestinian people elected Hamas, so they are ultimately responsible for removing it from power, by revolution if need be. And if their government wages "forever war" against another nation, in this instance, Israel, then the Palestinians likely deserve whatever pain and misery they suffer. There are some people who claim we're trying to "impose democracy". That's a ludicrous assertion. Freedom can not be "imposed", only unleashed. Individual human rights can not be "imposed", only unleashed. And right now there are billions of people who live with little to no political or economic freedom. That means they have limited economic opportunity, limited social mobility, and a limited future. And that means we're always going to be at war, or on the verge of it, because these poor people are under the thumb of a tyrannical power elite who seek only to advance their own agendas at the expense of their people. And even here, within the US, we continually fight a struggle between individual freedoms and the power elite. That's why I am constantly wondering why people on this thread believe we should advance economic theories OVER the needs of the people in this country. Seems to be a prevalent view that people should be slaves to economic theories, whether libertarian or Marxist, rather than the reverse. Hawk