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To: Golconda who wrote (60722)	2/5/2010 1:10:18 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 217974

yes. Because countries getting independent is wayo. The locals get jealous of the colonial masters having it good. The colonial masters need the locals for administrative works. Beed locals to pacific the masses. Locals can get rich and exercise their monetary power. The locals intermarry with the colonial masters. Colonial masters -there I go again- fleece the locals. Those are the ingredients that makes a movement for the freedom of the country in question. Raise thhe shirtless with call for independence. Tell them the colonial masters are -yes, you guessed right; fleecing them. Once colonial masters will be out, they will be in charge and all that moollah going abroad will be there for the taking. As independence movement gets under way, locasl jockey for position. The ones involved in adminsitrative matters for the colonial masters, know how to run a country (or so they think or p´retend to know). The ones who have money, have lots at stake, finance the resistance, if they are now fleeced real good, they want to avoid fleecing once independent. A country enemy of the colonial masters, appears backing on of the groups jockeying for position. Eventually they get what they wanted. And beware of what you want so much: You may ending up getting it. Seat down relax. Next comes the aftermath of the independence day. Or the day after.

To: Golconda who wrote (60722)	2/5/2010 1:23:23 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 217974

Seeds of the fleece. The former masters and the white knight who came to help. In your -I am assuming you are American- case you have the English and white knight Lafayette. In our case we got Portugal as Colonial masters and the English as the White knight. That because Poruguese was allied with the Anglos who were the enemies of Napoleon. Let's stick to Brazil's case and see how the fleecing came about. The locals played wayo, declare a independence between the administrative and the rich locals, before a real independence would take place. 1822 to 1889: Put a King there and once the wayo became apparent, they put the son of the first king and tried to control the strings since king was 15 years old. In all took 77 years of wayo to get the monarchy junked and declared a Republic. The English got lots of commercial advantages but since there was not too much to fleece, the loss was not that big. It was a big unrully jungle after all. Note that the US by them had clear cut government from day one. Was a northern country to which Euros could easily adapt while Brazil was a jungle. That Wild West thing was Sunday children school compared to Brazil of 19th century. Lots of educated Europeans moved to the US. US got a population boom. Europeans brought technology and by the end of 19th century English were doomed and the US was already in its way to become the power nation. Robber Barons were there to make the capitalist nattion we know from the 20th century.

To: Golconda who wrote (60722)	2/5/2010 1:36:37 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 217974

As late 19th century US sucked our exports with booming popualtion, and Europe recovered from revolutions of 19th century, science was progressing, Brazil and Argentina started becoming rich. Argentina was already a rich country -had no negroes but many Irish, Welsk and Italians that avoided brutal bRazil. Reason: Brazilians want to treat anyone who came to work there as a slave. That means gave them no rights. They went to Argentina. It was then that Brazil started beig called the country of the future. Then the old empries crumbled. Four at the same time: Otoman, British,Romanoff and Habsburgs. The US inherited the single power by default. Had we came about it would have been the western hemisphere that would had came up on top. The economy collapsed in 1929. Note we had absolutely nothig to do with the collapse. We even came out of it pretty quickly. Then we the argentineans and Brazilians made a huge mistake. Instead of doing a Scandinavian, they looked to Germany and Italy. Scandinavia was dirty poor. Brazil was sending aid to them not to starve in inter by late 19th century. Scandinavians massiffied education as a way to industrialize. Brazil which ahd been only a agricultural power, had not educated the shirtless. There was no need to educate them. They were used onlyto produce agriculture. As coffee collapsed, Brazil and Argentina looked to Germany and Italy as a model of leadership. Vargas ditator came about. The US had to bribe him out: steel mill and a refinery to get Brazil to declare war on the Axis. Some say the torpedoes that sunk the Brazilian ships were american to turn Brazil against Germany. Anyway Vargas wanted a quick industrialzation and did a lot to improve. Brazil by the fifties started growing again. Then Cold War hit.

To: Golconda who wrote (60722)	2/5/2010 1:54:34 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 217974

By the 50s it was clear that the US could not be stopped. It propped unpopular dictators, supported them against the wishes of populations. Openly bought good behavior. The countries that were not part of the gentlemen club agreement aka Bretton Woods Used force to defend its interests and once confronted put the issue as Moscov trying to topple "democratic" goverments. If you were a power hungry politician you just have to "save" you country from communism that you would get all support you wanted. Pinochet, Argentina junta, Stroessner from Paraguay, Hugo Banzer in Bolivia, Somoza in Nicaragua, Suharto in Indonesia, Franco in Spain, Salazar in Portugal, and the Aartheid in South Africa, and Iranian Shah, plus Marcos in the Philippines. All had a geopolitical purpose in the Cold War map. I just forgot the name of the Greek dictator. It was te unholy alliance between power nation looking for puppets and lots of power hungry men eager to become the dictator. And the US as the paragon of democracy. I stopped reading Readers Digest and starting reading something else.

To: Golconda who wrote (60722)	2/5/2010 2:01:56 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 217974

Then my generation arrived. Entered school as Brazil was massifying education (early 60s). Entered the work force as the Brazil once again start growing. Lula and his boys were climbing trucks in the car making area in S. Paulo outskirts leading the auto workers I was climbing poles across Brazil with a bag full of books. We got the wayo at onset. Worse! As Paul Volcker did his round of fleecing I saw it before we were hit. I left to Nigeria never to come back. It took from us 1975 to 2000, a good 25 years for my generation to get the power. From now on, it is pay back time. I am seating here and laughing with a Castel beer in hand.