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To: Lane3 who wrote (130538)	2/9/2010 12:40:36 PM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Respond to of 542054

OK--let me fill in the blanks a bit on my conceptual "sacrifice" (when I have more time) and see if I can make it more real like you did with the snowstorm. Very good illustration.

To: Lane3 who wrote (130538)	2/11/2010 9:37:17 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542054

L: You're right that I have thought about it a lot. I don't know all that much about your concept of sacrifice. You've written just a few paragraphs so to a large extent I'm filling in a lot based on a few buzzwords and themes you mentioned and arguing against that as a a proxy for more complete info from you and making some pattern assumptions. I'm not in a position to isolate with confidence just where we diverge. I suspect that it's fundamental, but I'm not at all confident of that. V: Its basically this. We all owe a service/duty to the nation to keep it strong and healthy and in the forefront of the world to see that the great American Experiment succeeds. Self actualization can only come about in the framework of laws and concepts and institutions that permits/allows such self actualization in alignment with the American Ideal. Growing up in post WWII a grateful nation taught and shared these ideals in school, church, and civic organizations. Individuals had to self actualize through institutions greater than themselves--and young men through service in the Armed Forces via the draft at a $100 a month for most of us. Yet society reciprocated our sacrifice. We got instant respect on buses, trains, planes, and restaurants plus appropriate discounts. That reciprocation instilled in us our "worth" to our country. Furthermore, the government leaders intrinsically knew what we were about as the majority of them had also served in some capacity during WWII. Take this away and basically what you have is everyone for him/herself. The culture has changed into mostly Bread and Circuses and Money. All empires decay. It is only by maintaining the "character" of the original culture that the nation can maintain its vigor. By hiring our servicemen and women we've basically underwritten the principle that it is OK for the less privileged to serve the country while the more well off "self actualize" as it is my perception that it is mostly the economically disadvantaged who join up as they see service as means of affording college. Are we not in all in this together?