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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (130705)	2/12/2010 7:31:49 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542208

The question then becomes how do we obtain a "responsible" and "respectful of the enabling societal framework" citizenry? It does. I submit one of he best IS REQUIRING service of them in some form. Getting back to why I engaged this topic, I questioned your focus on restoring sacrifice as our key guiding value. You wrote that the problem is that "the concept of shared sacrifice is no longer there." I argued that your focus was off target. What I was objecting to was your framing sacrifice as the goal. In the above clip you now offer sacrifice as a potential means to achieve the goal rather than the goal. I am satisfied with that. I can accept sacrifice as a potential means to the end, just not as an end in itself. We can debate about the form and its manifestations, but do you agree with the principle in general? "One of the best" means to the goal, dunno about that. I really don't like the idea much as I have said before. I find it depressing and defeatist. But I recognize that it might resonate with some people as it does for you so I won't rule it out as one among many means to the end. However, since an appreciation of sacrifice isn't necessary to achieve responsibility and respect for the enabling societal framework, and since it clearly doesn't resonate with everyone, I would object strongly to requiring it across the board. Out of respect for individual differences, I would not object to making it one tool in the toolkit for those with whom it resonates. Imposing it on everyone is something else.