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To: critical_mass who wrote (61095)	2/14/2010 4:25:02 AM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217969

I was under the impression that Germany also had a very good system for educating technicians and skilled workers who were not college bound. Does that still exist ? Yeah, you would be really rich. Consider me surprised.

To: critical_mass who wrote (61095)	2/14/2010 8:34:26 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 217969

Critical Mass another stereotype goes down. German system was good for old era. I worked for Siemens projects abroad for a period of 20 years. I made many friends and visited the country at times staying there 3-4 months apart from holidays. I was in Stuttgart once in 1987. The small boy, nephew of a friend of mine, brought home a metallic cub. Precisely machined. Wonderful stuff to have that mad by a so small boy. I wondered them, if they were still educating artisans instead towards digital, computer related education. A Brazilian I met therw working for BMW, said the guys were bery good in analog system but weak in digital system. He was brought from Brazil to work there. But BMW accommodated him like Turkish factory worker and he left. By 2000, I met another Brazilian running the former Skoda, now VW plant, near Prague. He told me German had got old and had not renovated. You can look everywhere, he said: The university, the board room, the Church, the public school system... only old ideas pervaded the institutions, he said. This is going to be bad for the German society and economy.

To: critical_mass who wrote (61095)	2/14/2010 11:39:58 AM
From: koan	Respond to of 217969

Both the Russians and American's got into space by dividing up the German scientists. Germany also has had a hard time folding East Germany back into the west. Still, it remains the worlds forth largest economy after the US, China and japan. But you would know better than I. I once read the most brilliant analysis of how Germany allowed Hitler to take over e.g. a very conformist society and very militaristic. Interestingly one can say the same about about Japan and the time. Maybe things have changed in 50 years but I have never seen and educated culture go back to being uneducated. Once a family or culture discovers the power education, they seldom stop reading books.