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To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (91999)2/15/2010 11:59:34 AM
From: Sr K  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 213173
 
>>that would give AAPL a market cap as big as the entire GPD of the US<<

If you meant GDP, you got something backwards.

At 12% per year, it would take just a little longer than the time from Apple's founding to now.



To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (91999)2/15/2010 1:20:19 PM
From: Doren  Respond to of 213173
 
halcyon days are certainly in the rear view mirror.

I'm not gung ho that Apple can double again or even hit 300 like some pundits have predicted.

However this presentation, I lifted from Eric L on the Smartphone forum change the way I think about smartphones. It's difficult to gauge where we are going.

fora.tv

Mostly it's about the surprising ways that smartphones are changing the culture.

One surprising thing that pressures me into getting one is caller ID.

I have a cell, but I prefer my land line mainly because I hate poor reception/noise. I just moved, my mainphone, answering machine, and the caller id function is temporarily not working. I've realized that many people now just ASSUME everyone has caller ID because they don't even bother to leave a return call number.

Interesting. My guess is that 60% of the population has caller ID, but those that do rarely converse with those that don't.



To: Win-Lose-Draw who wrote (91999)2/18/2010 11:32:15 AM
From: jbn31 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 213173
 
Re ... It seems pretty clear that the best days for AAPL-the-stock are behind it - the stock has gone up 50x and there is no way it can do that again ...

Mmmm ... Ya Think?

Looking at AAPL's revenue corridors

iPod: AAPL has about 70% of US market and has been maintaining that share for a couple of years. Unit sales were actually down this past quarter, although revenues were up, due to consumer transition to the Touch. So, we'll call it a "mature" market and unlikely to increase much. Although AAPL can increase market share in other international markets, I think it unlikely to be multiples of current share.

Mac: AAPL now has about 8% of the market. And although it is growing market share rapidly in a slowly growing market segment, I can't see it growing 50x. I can visualize it increasing share to about 50%, or about six times.

iTunes/Ap Store: Here I can see room for growth, but am totally unable to posit any parameters. This is especially true, since growth here is dependent on other revenue drivers -- iPods and iPhones. Further, AAPL has repeatedly told us that this endeavor is managed to be slightly better than "Break Even".

iPhone: AAPL is a brand new entrant to the cell phone market -- and numerous pundits proclaimed that it would make a disastrous entrance. So with less than 1% of the total cell phone market, there is tremendous room for growth. If we arbitrarily set a total market share ceiling of 50%, AAPL could conceivably grow this sector by 50x. There is also tremendous competition and opposition, so it certainly won't be a cake walk.

iPad: Not even a product yet... BUT ... the competition already considers it a major competitor. So from zero market penetration to even 30% would be huge.

aTV: still just a hobby. But a hobby with potential. When Steve et al get around to moving aTV to a front burner, we could probably agree that it has some potential market available to it.

So, in essence, I tend to agree with your statement that it is unlikely that the stock can go up 50x from here. Personally, I would be satisfied with 10x. And based on its products and market segments, I think that is doable.

And, speaking again personally, I would consider a 10-fold increase very "HALCYON".