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To: Oeconomicus who wrote (77763)	2/21/2010 1:08:38 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 90947

I can see we're both pretty well stuck to our POV's. I'll freely admit that I'm not the least sympathetic to the issue. Teachers made it that way for me. It's hard to empathize with them when they repeat it to you over & over when I repeatedly witness the opposite. Making it worse was being among the first to arrive & leaving several hours after they had gone home knowing I still had several hours work in my hotel room ahead of me. Making it worse was knowing that most of them far exceeded my salary by more than $10,000 annually. Add in what the unions have done to make things worse & maybe you can understand why I feel the way I do. I'll never say that teachers as a whole are overpaid & lazy because I know most aren't. And a fair portion of them go far beyond the call of duty. But unless things change dramatically I'll never agree they are underpaid & overworked.

To: Oeconomicus who wrote (77763)	3/2/2010 5:10:28 PM
From: TimF	3 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 90947

You can't look at time between the tardy bell and the dismissal bell and count that as the hours worked. And even if you did, it'd amount to 32+ hours a week. OK. Fine count it as 40 hours a week, or even 45, maybe 50 if you can make a case for it. Then take off summer break and other extra holidays. I think you have an average of 180 school days per year. Add in teacher work days that aren't school days and what do you get 200? 220? How many people full time people only work that many days per year? If teaching wasn't primarily a government activity, and one heavily controlled by unions, if it was fairly fully exposed to the free market, I'd say fair pay was whatever the market would pay them, even if it was much higher than their current pay, but when you look at non-public school and/or non-unionized teachers they tend to get paid less. Still having said that I think most of the escalation in costs is from extra administrators, not teachers.