To: KyrosL who wrote (72606 ) 2/23/2010 10:11:06 AM From: Maurice Winn 2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 Don't be fooled by superficial statistics. Consider Thomas Sowell's comment: <The confusion of "health care" with medical care is the crucial confusion. Years ago, a study showed that Mormons live a decade longer than other Americans. Are doctors who treat Mormons so much better than the doctors who treat the rest of us? Or do Mormons avoid doing a lot of things that shorten people's lives? The point is that health care is largely in your hands. Medical care is in the hands of doctors. Things that depend on what doctors do — cancer survival rates, for example — are already better here than in countries with government-run medical systems. > Assuming it's correct that NZ has 2 years more life expectancy than for the USA, which is presumably measured by averaging the age at death of all who die in the USA, then that is not evidence that medical care in the USA is not as good as that in NZ, as Thomas pointed out above. There's a lot more to the outcome than medical treatment received. With umpty million illegal immigrants in the USA without medical insurance and no means of paying extorquerationate medical bills, it would be surprising if their life expectancy is not lower than for the rest. With 10s of thousands of gunshot deaths each year, that tips the balance in favour of early death for many young normally melanin rich young Americans. In NZ, we have a much lower murder rate than in the USA. Since gunshot and other murders are usually in the young age group, one murder at age 20 is equivalent to 30 people living 2 years longer. Superbugs aren't really super bugs, they are just immune to the regular antibiotic toxins used to kill them. It's now fashionable to cut back on antibiotic treatment. It's just part of the evolutionary battle and survival of the fittest. Mqurice