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To: skinowski who wrote (108821)2/23/2010 9:41:31 PM
From: arun gera  Respond to of 116555
 
>observed about Capitalism and Socialism, they both share the common attribute of exploiting the masses to obtain that control. It's only a matter of which path they take to achieve the same goal.. control over the means of production, and thereby, the people.>

Isn't the common attribute the monopoly right to collect taxes and issue currency? With this is place, all assets (and debt or contracts in the economy) are convertible to currency and then can be channeled by the governments in the direction they want, sometimes to themselves and other times towards building a sustainable economy.

-Arun



To: skinowski who wrote (108821)2/23/2010 9:51:45 PM
From: Hawkmoon1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116555
 
Let's just say that as a capitalist and a business owner you are interested in your rights being protected and respected.

Sure.. and many business people like the challenge of competition. However, there are those who seek to eliminate all market competition so they can deny their consumer any other options, thereby maximizing their profit potential through monopoly. Without government regulation and anti-trust legislation, I firmly believe most corporations would pursue this agenda. It just makes logical sense.

Look at the Japanese, with their integrated corporate empires which have controlled so much of Japanese industry for so many years. We see the same effect in Korea, as I understand it, and I wonder if this what the US is destined to see even more of lurking in it's future?

I've been trying to tear through the Capitalist Manifesto for months now, but keep getting distracted. Causabon was kind enough to point it out to me.

I saw this quote from Kelso on Wikipedia and it has stuck with me:

"The Roman arena was technically a level playing field. But on one side were the lions with all the weapons, and on the other the Christians with all the blood. That's not a level playing field. That's a slaughter. And so is putting people into the economy without equipping them with capital, while equipping a tiny handful of people with hundreds and thousands of times more than they can use."

--Louis O. Kelso in Bill Moyers: A World of Ideas, (1990)


en.wikipedia.org

kelsoinstitute.org

I also read Hernando De Soto's "Mystery of Capital" years ago and recall concurring with much of what he wrote.

The main message of de Soto's work and writings is that no nation can have a strong market economy as long as most of its people remain on the outside just looking in. "The existence of such massive exclusion generates two parallel economies, legal and extralegal. An elite minority enjoys the economic benefits of the law and globalization, while the majority of entrepreneurs are stuck in poverty, where their assets –adding up to more than US$ 10 trillion worldwide– languish as dead capital in the shadows of the law. To survive, to protect their assets, and to do as much business as possible, the extralegals create their own rules. But because these local arrangements are full of shortcomings and are not easily enforceable, the extralegals also create their own social, political and economic problems that affect the society at large.

en.wikipedia.org

In sum.. Capitalism, in order to thrive and drive a nation's economy, must have government regulations in place that prevent corporate monopolization. But furthermore, they must motivate competition and opportunity for all interested economic participants.

my wife was a college student in the 60's... she read the post and thinks that she may have had the very same "old professor"... :)

University of Arizona Alumni?

Hawk