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To: ajtj99 who wrote (108929)	2/25/2010 12:21:18 AM
From: marcher	1 Recommendation Respond to of 116555

"...public sector unions should get bailed out too..." i referred to disaster capitalism, the growing belief that the crashing of bubbles and other catastrophe is utilized by friedmanists to destroy organizations in order to replace them with market fundamentalism. my experience is that pure market notions and managerial tactics result in radical objectivism (turn everything into a productivity number) at the expense of the human subject. at a base level it appears to be selfish independence vs. collectivism. surely (i hope) those of us living in the u.s. have the capacity for both. "...x salary plus x benefits plus x back-end compensation (pension, medical pension, etc). That's x/year..." again i ask, what is the source for your numbers? geez... "...Well, I'm not paying an extra dime..." fine with me. i'm still looking for the scandinavian bar. -g-

To: ajtj99 who wrote (108929)	2/25/2010 8:58:58 AM
From: Steve Lokness	11 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

Basically what it seems like I'm hearing is that since Wall Street got bailed out, public sector unions should get bailed out too. You're not listening. Virtually nobody is suggesting that unions get bailed out. Unions - all unions including the good ones representing good hard working people only employ 12.3% of the workforce though AND unions did not bring down our economy. Managers - especially managers at banks making multi million dollar salaries did that with no contribution whatsoever to society. They were gamblers and they used the house money - the money paid in taxes by those union workers you seem to hate. Are you suggesting ethics start at the bottom with the working man and that it will somehow work its way up the ranks and effect management? .........Now I know I already said this but let me repeat; unions are getting readjusted by default. They must and the wise among them know that, the unwise are and will continue to be sacked. I'm not a union man and am not supporting unions only saying you have to clean up people at the top - get ethics. Get a morality.

To: ajtj99 who wrote (108929)	2/25/2010 6:32:03 PM
From: JBTFD	17 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

What I don't get is how someone can focus on public union wages at the exclusion of executive compensation. No one will ever convince me that United Healthcare's CEO did anything that actually gives credence to the idea that he EARNED $1.7 Billion in 2007. It is flat out thievery. It is capitalism gone awry. To give a hard look at the poor schmuck making $80k per year while ignoring the extortion at the top is an example of class warfare, plain and simple. I would suggest that the 21,250 public employees are giving us a lot more for the money than the CEO is.