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To: bentway who wrote (239673)	2/28/2010 12:08:08 PM
From: pheilman_	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

Still O.T. Quoting Al Gore: This comes with painful costs. China, now the world’s largest and fastest-growing source of global-warming pollution, had privately signaled early last year that if the United States passed meaningful legislation, it would join in serious efforts to produce an effective treaty. When the Senate failed to follow the lead of the House of Representatives, forcing the president to go to Copenhagen without a new law in hand, the Chinese balked. With the two largest polluters refusing to act, the world community was paralyzed. Really Al? China's leaders told you in private that if only the US would limit its CO2 output they would follow suit? What a f*cking fool, they won't stop the continued industrialization of their country as it would lead to unrest. No Al, China will continue to build coal fired power plants as fast as they need them. They will continue to mine coal and burn it for heat and power. They will continue to screw up and light veins of coal beneath the ground on fire that cannot be extinguished. They are going to have to get a lot wealthier before they can mess about worrying about CO2 emissions. ...underground fires in China alone contribute as much CO2 to the atmosphere each year as all the cars and light trucks in the U.S.... Source (also the NY Times, sort of) freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com

To: bentway who wrote (239673)	2/28/2010 12:59:08 PM
From: joseffy	Respond to of 306849

Al Gore Comes Out of Hiding and Gets a Fisking Sunday, February 28, 2010 bluegrasspundit.com Al Gore has been mostly MIA during the recent rash of blizzards in Washington that shut the government down. Perhaps he was snowed in and has only now dug his way out. He went to the Apple board meeting (he is a board member) and was soundly ridiculed by many shareholders. This hasn't deterred Al or the NYT. The New York Times is still willing to give him a venue to beat the ''dead horse' of global warming. I, for one, genuinely wish that the climate crisis were an illusion. But unfortunately, the reality of the danger we are courting has not been changed by the discovery of at least two mistakes in the thousands of pages of careful scientific work over the last 22 years by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In fact, the crisis is still growing because we are continuing to dump 90 million tons of global-warming pollution every 24 hours into the atmosphere — as if it were an open sewer. It is true that the climate panel published a flawed overestimate of the melting rate of debris-covered glaciers in the Himalayas, and used information about the Netherlands provided to it by the government, which was later found to be partly inaccurate. In addition, e-mail messages stolen from the University of East Anglia in Britain showed that scientists besieged by an onslaught of hostile, make-work demands from climate skeptics may not have adequately followed the requirements of the British freedom of information law. But the scientific enterprise will never be completely free of mistakes. What is important is that the overwhelming consensus on global warming remains unchanged. It is also worth noting that the panel’s scientists — acting in good faith on the best information then available to them — probably underestimated the range of sea-level rise in this century, the speed with which the Arctic ice cap is disappearing and the speed with which some of the large glacial flows in Antarctica and Greenland are melting and racing to the sea… Let's do some fisking of the "Goracles" statements. Al Gore: "I, for one, genuinely wish that the climate crisis were an illusion." Fact: Al Gore is believed to have made at least $100 million off of the global warming scam. Does he really wish he didn't have that money? Al Gore: "the reality of the danger we are courting has not been changed by the discovery of at least two mistakes in the thousands of pages of careful scientific work.." Fact: Saying "at least two mistakes" is really deceptive. The IPCC report used unpublished student dissertations and information from special interest groups to formulate sections of it's report. There are so may errors in the IPCC 2007 report, an independent board has been set up to review the workings of the world’s top climate science panel. Al Gore: "e-mail messages stolen from the University of East Anglia in Britain showed that scientists besieged by an onslaught of hostile, make-work demands from climate skeptics may not have adequately followed the requirements of the British freedom of information law." Fact: Saying global warming scientists "may not have adequately followed the requirements of the British freedom of information law" is really sugar coating it. How does that explain climatologists conspiring to hide information , deleting emails, suppressing criticism, evading taxes and many other transgressions? Al Gore: "What is important is that the overwhelming consensus on global warming remains unchanged." Fact: The climatologist, Phil Jones, at the heart of the Climategate scandal now admits the Medieval Warm Period may have been as warm as today. This week, The Institute of Physics issued a scathing document on the shoddiness of the science behind the man-made global warming claim. Here is the rest of Al Gore's New York Times opinion. nytimes.com