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To: Jim S who wrote (78036)	3/2/2010 6:25:49 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

I didn't account for non-holiday vacation/days off or sick time for the teacher, but your count accounts for it for the ordinary worker. Also my estimate was "200 to 220 days", not "220 days". Of course my estimate could be off, but it could be off in either direction. I think its more likely 200 than 220. Taking 200, subtracting 25 days for sick time and other days off, gives you 175, compared to your range of 176 to 240. Its not as extreme as some people think, but its still a disparity. -- Looking for another source rather than relying on my own guess I see that maybe my revised estimate is still a bit too high. Teachers Work Schedule (see contract pages 17-19): 1. Contract year: 185 days. 2. Less four personal days and 14 sick days = 167 work days. heartland.org

To: Jim S who wrote (78036)	3/2/2010 6:29:29 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 90947

IMHO, I think that most full time workers put in at least 225-230 full days per year on average. Most motivated teachers put in 185-195 full days per year. By full work day I mean 7 1/2 to 8 hours of actual work. I doubt many public school teachers work 200 days or more a year. It appears Tim was very generously counting time outside the assigned work schedule. Even then most teachers do not work close to that number of days. They are required to work 180 school days plus a couple of in service partial days [and keep in mind quite a few of those 180 days are partial days too]. I am not aware of any other required work days for them. Of all the schools I audited, none exceeded 7 hours on site for teachers including all breaks. Most were in the 6 1/2 hour range. See this & this for more background. That means that teachers would have to work well in excess of 520 hours beyond their assigned work schedule just to achieve an equivolent of 200 full work days. Looking at your list, I know of no job that allows 10 holidays, 45 vacation days & 30 sick days. Not even the Federal gov't is that lax. Perhaps some union jobs are that lax, but none I'm aware of. I would think it is rare in the US workplace & one would have to work a decade or more to achieve that much time off. IMO, most full time jobs [including gov't] result in approximately 213* to 244** full work days per year. Many of those jobs [like mine was] were considered exempt, which means they are required to work beyond the assigned work schedule without paid overtime. * Folks on the 213 work day end of the spectrum are Federal employees who have 15 years served. They get 26 vacation days & 10 paid holidays. They would have to take all 13 paid sick days off to achieve 213 days worked. ** Folks who put in 244 work days a year get 6 holidays, 5 vacation days & 6 sick days.