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To: tejek who wrote (553602)	3/10/2010 9:19:43 PM
From: TimF	1 Recommendation Respond to of 1574691

The tea party is almost entirely about race No it essentially isn't about race at all. Mrs. Stout said she awoke to see Washington as a threat, a place where crisis is manipulated -- even manufactured -- by both parties to grab power. Now you might be saying to yourself, I don't see the racism here. But if you eliminate all of the reasons for Stout's participation in the tea party movement as being contradictory or nonsensical, all that's left is race. That 1 - Isn't true. 2 - Is irrelevant because even if she is for it for nonsensical reason, "nonsense" != "racism", neither does "contradictory ideas". 3 - And is irrelevant to the point Cesca is trying to make because its a comment about a single person, projecting that to many thousands or possibly millions. (I don't have any numbers for the tea party movement, and I'm not sure anyone has solid numbers) She claims to be against the bank bailouts, but the tea party is against the president's bank fee designed to recover the TARP money. No contradiction there. The bailouts and the supposed recovery are different actions, both of which can be (and are) negative. The bank fee is supposedly designed to recover the TARP money but actually it isn't. It applies to companies that never recieved any TARP money, or who have paid some or all of it back, while it will not be applied to some big recipients of the bailout funds, or any small institution. Even if it was directly and efficently designed to recover the money (and it clearly isn't), deciding both that both the action to give the money was wrong at the time, and grabbing it back now is also wrong, would not be contradictory. (And even if it was it would be no sign or racism). First, where was she -- where were the teabaggers -- when the far-right endorsed and supported a massive increase in the size of government If one party increases the size of government, it makes the next parties actions to also increase the size of government more problematic rather than less. Continual expansions gradually awaken some people who had previously been oblivious or perhaps just apolitical to the increasing problem. But even if it was purely a matter of caring about the issue because its Democrats doing it now - Partisanship != racism. Second, I refuse to believe that health care is a "manufactured crisis." It sort of is. Its a chronic problem, not really a crisis. The need to pass a solution now is a manufactured crisis (and its shown by the fact that most of the program, other than taxes to pay for it, doesn't kick in for years after its passed) How can she possibly suggest the economic crisis was manufactured? I'm not so sure she did. She talked about how she was sick of politicians ""manufacturing crisis". That isn't a statement that the current downturn, or talk of it, is manufacturing a crisis. But lets assume (for no particularly good reason), that she did mean this was a manufactured crisis. In some senses she's right. All the talk of facing something "worse than the great depression" was a load of nonsense, and could reasonably be considered manufacturing an atmosphere of crisis. But lets assume (again for no particularly good reason) that she's just flat our wrong about it. "Wrong on economic issues" doesn't equal "racism". If it did you would be one of the basic racists around. the original tea party was a protest against a corporate tax cut The Tea Act did restore a refund to the East India Company for tea imported in to Great Britain (and so it contained a tax cut), but that wasn't the cause of the protest. People in Boston where hardly going to protest the fact that tea prices in London where reduced. The tax on tea sold in the colonies remained. The protests where (like the current tea parties) not around a single simple centralized idea. Ideas like "no taxation without representation", played a role. The fact that the Tea Act gave the East India company a monopoly also played a role and helped focus this particular protest on tea. And there where less political reasons. Some of the push for dumping the tea came from smugglers who where competitors of the East India company, anything to hurt a competitor... There where all sorts of reasons by "we don't like tax cuts" wasn't one of them. And when you throw out all of the nonsense and contradictions, there's nothing left except race. That itself is a nonsense argument, both because what he calls "nonsense and contradictions" are not those things, and because even if they where they don't amount to racism. If he wants to talk about racism he should provide evidence of wide spread racism. Instead he essentially says "the people in the Tea Party are wrong". Well being wrong isn't being racist. There's no other way to explain why these people were silent and compliant for so long, and only decided to collectively freak out when this "foreign" and "exotic" president came along and, right out of the chute, passed the largest middle class tax cut in American history Right out of the shoot he started increasing spending, talking about other spending increases, talked up increasing taxes, cap and trade, massive new government health care programs, and other expansions of government and increases in taxes, and actually increased cigarette taxes. What he did not do was "the largest middle class tax cut in American history". "Tax cuts" that bring people's net income tax liability below zero are not tax cuts (except the part that reduces it to zero). One off one year tax breaks, are not large tax cuts compared to multiyear tax cuts. Measuring tax breaks in terms of nominal dollars biases any count to more recent cuts (with any cut having a fair shot at being the "biggest ever", while really being a much smaller as a portion of the economy. One off payments simple payments without reductions in rates are more like handouts than actual tax cuts. And Obama was increasing some taxes while cutting others. For all those reasons, its pretty silly to call it the biggest middle class tax cut in history. But even if he had eliminate all taxes on the middle class, Cesca's argument would still be completly bogus. 1 - The Tea partiers mostly like tax cuts 2 - Obama cut taxes 3 - The Tea party doesn't like Obama 4 - Obama is black Therefore the Tea Partyers are racist Is a completely bogus argument. If every single claimed fact or premise in his whole article was true, his conclusion would still be unsupported.

To: tejek who wrote (553602)	3/10/2010 9:23:47 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1574691

Tax Cut Mirage By Peter Ferrara on 1.7.09 @ 6:09AM spectator.org Obama's 95% Illusion It depends on what the meaning of 'tax cut' is. * OCTOBER 13, 2008 online.wsj.com

To: tejek who wrote (553602)	3/11/2010 7:16:05 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 1574691

A couple Obama protest babes in St Louis:

To: tejek who wrote (553602)	3/15/2010 7:16:46 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Respond to of 1574691

Where Are The Black Faces At The Coffee Parties? March, 14, 2010 — nicedeb It goes against my natural colorblind instincts to even mention this, but since lefty luminaries such as Keith Olbermann (aka “Keef Overbite” aka “Bathtub Boy”, aka “Countdown to no ratings”) seem to think it’s important to ask this question of the tea partiers, I feel duty-bound to ask - where are the black faces at the coffee parties? COFFEE PARTY USA; WINSTON-SALEM, NC MARCH 13, 2010 How do you find a bunch of Obama supporters in NC that are totally white? Obviously, this is a racist bunch. And look how chunky many of them are. Coffee Party pics – Lincoln, NE 3/13/10 Charlotte, NC Coffee Party 3/13/10 Obviously, no blacks allowed at this party. CT Coffee Party 3/13/10 Boise, ID – 3/13/10 Coffee Party We all know ID is a white separatist state! I’ve been perusing the Coffee Party USA (Yep, CPUSA) Flickr pages, (via Pirate’s Cove) showing off the massive Coffee Party movement sweeping the nation, (ahem), and I’m not seeing a whole a lot of darker complexions – a few here and there, sure - like you would see at a tea party. Now, Olby could cherry pick the Coffee party pix that have one or two “black faces” to highlight the wonderful diversity. But the truth is, I could do the same thing with tea party pix. The fact of the matter is, the tea party movement is made up of mostly whites, which is not surprising because political conservatives tend to be white. Guess what? So do liberal elites. nicedeb.wordpress.com Look at these redneck Tennessee hillbillies. Probably have a dead black guy chained to the back of their pickup outside: