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To: RMF who wrote (41754)	3/9/2010 10:02:13 AM
From: PROLIFE	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71588

you missed the point...imagine that, didn't suit your rant I suppose. beyond that why is it every time someone mentions christians, you atheists, agnostics, or cultists(whichever you may be) bring up the middle ages or the "crusades"? What was one of the underlying reasons for the crusades? The muslims has conquered many former christian lands.....but then you don't HEAR about that do you?

To: RMF who wrote (41754)	3/9/2010 1:08:25 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 71588

If you go back a few centuries you'll see that the Christian Church killed 100's of THOUSANDS in Spain because they thought those people weren't TRUE Christians. Are you talking about the Spanish Inquisition? It was certainly a horrible business, which killed at a minimum around a thousand people, and perhaps 5000 or more, but it didn't killed hundreds of thousands. In the Crusades, Christians killed 100's of THOUSANDS because they believed those people weren't TRUE Christians. Not exactly (although certainly such thoughts played a role on both sides), it was mainly a series of wars over land (and really an extension of an earlier series where the Muslims originally conquered the land). But yes, yet again a really nasty business. But these things happened hundreds to almost a thousand years ago. So should we measure the actions of people in today's world by the standards of a millenia ago? Also even if we are going to play that game. It doesn't imply loving their children more than they hated the enemy. Except for the children's crusade, which developed from the bizarre idea that earlier crusades where the result of insufficient innocence by the crusaders. Children where mostly not used as warriors in the crusades. But recognizing that the children's crusade did exist, and assume for the sake of argument that its motivation really was more related to hating the enemy more than you care about the lives of your own children; you still don't get a defense of the current practice, only a reason to condemn the old one. Which doesn't mean that the "until the Muslims love their children more than they hate the Jews" is exactly perfect. For one thing it lumps too many people together. Many Muslim parents would hardly want their children to be "martyrs". I believe many of them would just rather see the violence go away. But a sufficient number of parents, and the people who rise to the top in the leadership of Palestinian organizations have different ideas. Those are the people about whom the statement is accurate, not the lump of all Palestinians.