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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (14267)	3/9/2010 10:31:15 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Respond to of 42652

Actually, the best estimate of those who are involuntarily uninsured is about 12 million. The rest could afford insurance but chose not to buy it, or are eligible for Medicaid or Medicare but have not signed up. Here is the post on the topic listed in the header: Message 26030766 It leads one to believe that the 5 million people I have seen reported often is closer to the correct number of people in America who are uninsurable.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (14267)	3/10/2010 8:44:43 AM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 42652

Actually, the best estimate of those who are involuntarily uninsured is about 12 million. Yes, I've seen between eight and twelve. It's somewhere around there. There are a number of posts on this thread to that effect and I acknowledged those between twelve and 37 million in my post as "among other things." The question on the table, though, was not the legitimacy of using the number of variously uninsured Americans arguing the health care reform issue but the simple incorrectness of the statement that 47 million Americans are without insurance. The relevance of the composition of the rest of that number to the analysis of the problem is arguable and oft argued. It's been argued ad nauseam on this thread. Claiming 37 million uninsured Americans is not a lie, but rather an misused argument. The use of the 47 million number when applied to uninsured Americans, though, is not arguable given the ten million non-Americans that are subsumed in the 47. But if you can't even get acknowledgment of the incorrectness of that simple factual element, there's no point in approaching the aptness question. One step at a time.