To: Solon who wrote (28271 ) 3/11/2010 12:49:32 PM From: Greg or e Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931 "Listing western vices such as intolerance and hate as evil in the header of a thread is not using force." Your dishonesty is almost breathtaking. You didn't simply list "western vices". You called the actions of the followers of God, objectively morally evil. You claimed that God gives no heed to YOUR "objective values" and that His followers used that as an excuse to commit evil deeds and "emulate" evil traits. At the very least you are castigating others for failing to meet their obligation to adhere to and behave according to YOUR subjectively derived "objective values". You are using absolute moral pronouncements to impose moral obligations on to others. You claimed that this could not be done except by physical force Message 26365953 I have shown quite clearly that abusive language (like calling someone evil) is also a form of force and you have said nothing that would effectively contradict that. ................................... "He evaluates all matters in accordance with his feelings, and gives no heed to objective values or ideas. Some follow this God literally, and use him to determine and to justify their own actions. Thus, we see His most ardent followers displaying intolerance, hate, jealousy, spitefulness, insecurity, and other attributes of evil and of weakness. It is for this reason that I ask: Should God be replaced? Is it time for a new CEO? Is it time to discover a God based on acceptance and love...rather than on fear? Can the human race advance beyond the killing fields, while it yet mires itself in emulating the evil traits of its many anthropomorphic Gods?" siliconinvestor.com 11:33:20 AM