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To: Brumar89 who wrote (78421)3/18/2010 7:21:46 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
Dems vote to allow 'Slaughter solution'

By: David Freddoso
Online Opinion Editor
03/18/10 2:31 PM EDT

The House has just voted to allow the use of the so-called "deem and pass" strategy, 222-203. Vote tally is here. A "yes" vote is a vote in favor of allowing the House to "deem" the health care bill into law later once it has been brought to the floor.

The vote on this resolution should not be taken as determinative of the health care vote later. It is rare for party members to vote against their own rules in the House, and some Democrats voting "yes" have at least promised to vote against the bill later. Likewise, some Democrats voting "no" might support the bill without being associated with an underhanded process at election time. That's just in case the business of "deeming" gets real legs with the voting public -- something a lot of liberals still doubt.

Among those voting "yes" was Rep. Steve Lynch, D-Mass., who has called the "deem and pass" strategy "underhanded" but is also a member of the whip team and under some obligation to vote for the party's rules. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., a committee chairman who plans to vote "no" on the bill, voted "yes" on this resolution.

But noteworthy Democrats among the 28 voting "no" with the Republicans include Reps. Harry Mitchell and Gabbie Giffords, D-Ariz., Harry Teague, D-N.M., Jerry McNerney, D-Calif., Jerry Costello, D-Ill., Tom Perriello and Glenn Nye, D-Va., Mike Arcuri, D-N.Y., Suzanne Kosmas, D-Fla., and Mike Michaud, D-Maine.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: washingtonexaminer.com



To: Brumar89 who wrote (78421)3/19/2010 6:25:13 PM
From: TimF2 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 90947
 
Tom Hanks should stick with film making
March 12th, 2010 | Author: Bruce McQuain

I’m not going to go on a rant about Tom Hanks recent remarks about why we fought the Japanese during WWII, but I do have a comment or two to make. He said:

Back in World War II, we viewed the Japanese as ‘yellow, slant-eyed dogs’ that believed in different gods. They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar, by any chance, to what’s going on today?

It is easy to make ignorant statements like that when you decide you need to make a political point. We see it everyday in the three-ring circus we call politics. Bending history to fit your ideological point of view is nothing new and there’s certainly nothing so special about Tom Hanks that he’s above such nonsense. But he ought to know better, especially after making this new HBO miniseries about the Pacific war.

My dad served in the Army for 36 years and was on Saipan, Leyte and Okinawa. Unlike Hanks, he actually fought the Japanese in some very tough battles – especially the last one. He never talked about it much when I was a kid, although when old friends would stop by at the posts where we were assigned, I’d hear some of the stories by getting myself in an unobserved position in the next room and quietly listening.

I don’t remember he or any of his friends ever reflecting the sort of attitude Hanks would have us to believe was prevalent then. Sure, they referred to them as “Japs”, but not because they thought it was derrogatory or because they believed them to be “different”, but because, well, that’s what they were. The story I remember most concerned Saipan. As he told it, you could tell the memory had an effect on him. He told about Japanese families – women, kids – jumping off a cliff to avoid capture (“Suicide cliff” in Saipan). You could tell he thought it was awful and it was clear in the telling that the memory was vivid. They’d brought in Japanese speakers to try to talk the families out of jumping, but the indoctrination and the culture were so strong that they jumped anyway.

If you want to “annihilate” someone, you don’t make that sort of effort to save them. If you consider them as “different” in the way Hanks intimates, such things wouldn’t shake you as it obviously did my father and those he was with.

He said that the only Japanese captives they ever took were those who’d been either knocked unconscious before capture or were so badly wounded they couldn’t avoid it. Certainly they were “different” in the sense that their honor and culture called upon them to do things American culture would never call on its soldiers to do, but that didn’t make them less than human to my father. He certainly wasn’t at all pleased with the way the Japanese treated prisoners of war and held a hell of grudge about that. But I got the impression that he considered the Japanese barbaric because of that, not less than human. He held them responsible for that conduct because they were human beings. And after the war, we shocked them with the most humane occupation imaginable and the rebuilding of their nation.

The reason my dad and hundreds of thousands of other Americans fought the Japanese wasn’t because they were “different” racially or believed in a different god. Nor did they do it with the aim of “annihilating” them. It was because the had attacked the United States, were the enemy and that enemy had to be defeated. Period. My father and his comrades would have fought the Germans with the same ferocity they fought the Japanese had they been in Europe.

Tom Hanks is a fine actor and an excellent film maker. But he should stick with what he knows. Deciding how those fighting the Japanese thought of their enemy isn’t one of them. Making a film about them doesn’t suddenly make him some sort of expert in that regard either. And, pretending to know what motivates those of us who fight our enemies of today is just as mistaken.

~McQ
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ocjim505:
March 12, 2010 at 16:32

Yep. We sure did want to annihilate them. That’s why Japan is a desolate, uninhabited wasteland to this very day.

Oh, wait…

OK, well, it’s a sparsely-populated colony of the United States, with the few surviving Japanese living in perpetual, cringing servitude to their victorious, genocidal American masters who hold the power of instant death over them.

Oh, wait…

Er, it’s a run-down nation, a third-world sh*t-hole left to its own devices after never having completely recovered from being trashed by the US armed forces???

Oh, wait…

OK, now I got it: Japan is a wealthy, peaceful democracy, one of the largest of America’s trading partners with international companies that employ hundreds of thousands of Americans (including me after I got out of university), an important military ally, and a friend to the United States.

Not bad for a country that we were out to “annihilate”.

Tom Hanks is a great actor who’s done fine work telling the story of our GI’s in World War II and reminding us of their courage, skill, and sacrifice. Too bad he appears to have sipped a little too much liberal kool-aid.
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Sharpshooter:
March 12, 2010 at 16:49

Tom Hanks is a great actor who’s done fine work telling the story of our GI’s in World War II and reminding us of their courage, skill, and sacrifice. Too bad he appears to have sipped a little too much liberal kool-aid.

He supports the troops (greatly, to his credit), but doesn’t grasp the larger picture of who, what, how, where…

jpm100:
March 12, 2010 at 17:08

There’s a new anti-war narrative that soldiers are victims not unlike a civilian who has a bomb dropped on their head. They subtly cast any heroics or sacrifice made by these men into victimization, exploitation, and/or pointlessness.
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So in that context, you don’t have to represent the troops negatively in their morals or personalities. You just take away any meaning to their sacrifice.
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docjim505:
March 12, 2010 at 17:34

jpm100 – There’s a new anti-war narrative that soldiers are victims not unlike a civilian who has a bomb dropped on their head.

It’s not new. Great War literature is rife with the idea of a soldier as a victim. There was another spurt of it during and after the Vietnam War, though it was more popular to portray the GI and the vet as a psycho, completely unbalanced by the war and a menace to the society that used and then abandoned him.

And why not? The soldier DOES suffer. He IS a victim. It may be that his suffering is for a greater good that gives nobility and some meaning to his sacrifice, or at least nets him the thanks of a grateful nation and not the sort of mixture of scorn and pity that GI’s appear to have gotten too often when they came back from Vietnam.

But I agree with your point that the left seems intent on trashing the image of our troops (past and present) by robbing what they did of any greater good. Shall we reduce the men on the Arizona, at Wake or Bataan, on the Houston, Torpedo 8, at Guadalcanal and Tarawa and New Guinea, on the Johnston or the Wahoo, at Manila and Suribachi, into a pack of helpless pawns gripped in the maw of Wall Street’s war, fighting solely because of racism and because they’d been duped into hating other men who’d been similarly duped into hating them?

Or do we wonder, “Where do we get such men?” and thank God that He sent them to us during one of history’s darkest moments? I don’t fool myself that our men were (or are) saints, but they did our nation and the world a service when they put naziism and Japanese militarism into the garbage can of history.

They deserve better than pity and “understanding”: they deserve thanks.

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