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To: Sully- who wrote (78538)	3/20/2010 3:53:44 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 90947

Stupak Talks, Feminists Roar By: Kathryn Jean Lopez The Corner Bart Stupak met with Nancy Pelosi tonight. And has a press conference scheduled for the morning ... On my Twitter feed, I see Diana DeGette (radical liberal feminist, ....) is not happy. My understanding if a fix were to happen via an enrollment corrections bill, the Senate would have to pass it first. (And that's what Stupak needs to insist on if he wants anything close to a guarantee. This bill has deeper problems -- even for life -- than are going to get fixed in a quick fix, though. But here we are.) I would think Barbara Boxer would sooner give up her seat (which she might have to) than allow that happen ... for one thing. UPDATE: Here's how CNN is reporting it: <<< Washington (CNN) - The divisive issue of abortion is once again causing eleventh hour problems for House Democrats as they plan to move forward on health care reform. Anti-abortion Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan is asking for a vote on his language restricting taxpayer funding for abortion, and a group of female abortion rights Democrats came out of an emergency meeting in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office Friday evening visibly angry about the prospect. Rep. Diana Degette, D-Colorado, told reporters a vote on Stupak's measure was a "non starter" and said "somewhere between 40 and 55" abortion rights Democrats would bolt from the bill. "We are holding firm this time," she insisted. "If Mr. Stupak and a few members along with the Republicans decide to use this to take health care down, that loss of health care will be in their hands." It's not yet clear how seriously Democratic leaders are considering allowing a vote on Stupak's abortion language, or in what form. But Stupak told CNN he is in discussions with Pelosi. "We had a good discussion with the speaker on the floor," said Stupak. "But there was no agreement and there's no agreement until we see it in writing and we get a chance to massage it." >>> UPDATE: From Talking Points Memo: <<< One of the options floated a few weeks ago would've given Stupak et al a vote on a stand-alone piece of abortion legislation. But that's not enough for Stupak--who knows as well as anybody that the Senate can't round up 60 votes for any abortion legislation, pro or anti. He's been pushing for a vote on something different, and much more obscure: what's known as an enrollment corrections bill. The details are complicated, but basically, it's a rarely used procedural technique that would allow the House and Senate to amend the Senate bill after it's passed both houses, but before it's signed into law. Stupak says it only requires 51 votes in the Senate. He also implied that passage of health care reform could be made contingent on the adoption of new, stricter abortion language. Pelosi's gambit may be to give Stupak his vote to get him on board, all the while knowing it won't pass the House or the Senate. But that's a risk pro-choice members aren't prepared to see their leadership take. No decisions have been made, but pro-choice Rep. Diana DeGette (D-CO) still insists that there are more than enough pro-choice members opposed to Stupak's abortion language to kill the bill if Stupak gets his way--and that, she says, will be Stupak's cross to bear. Earlier this week, he signaled to The Hill that he didn't really want to kill the bill. "You know, maybe for me that's the best: I stay true to my principles and beliefs," he said, "vote no on this bill and then it passes anyways. Maybe for me is the best thing to do." But he didn't relent. It's unclear how many pro-life votes Stupak controls, but seemingly enough that Pelosi isn't willing to flick him aside. >>> .

To: Sully- who wrote (78538)	3/20/2010 4:03:21 AM
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Democrats: We lied about saving money Don Surber The late Friday afternoon truth — where bad news is buried for the weekend — is that conservatives are right: Obamacare will push the federal government’s debt higher. No money will be saved. Deficits will be higher. From the Associated Press: <<< “WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional budget scorekeepers say a Medicare fix that Democrats included in earlier versions of their health care bill would push it into the red. “The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red. “The so-called doc fix was part of the original House bill. Because of its high cost, Democrats decided to pursue it separately. Republicans say the cost should not be ignored. Congress has usually waived the cuts to doctors year by year.” >>> Saving money was the biggest lie. By the way, those “pro-life Democrats” know that abortion is in Obamacare for good. Conservatives are right on this Obamacare. It’s socialist medicine. They are doing it because the other five federally-funded socialist medicine programs — Medicaid, Medicare, SCHIP, VA and the American Indian Health System — are deficit-laden programs that Obamacare will help gloss over for a few years. .