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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (134295)	3/23/2010 7:33:45 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 542197

Look on the bright side, the Dems just achieved more in domestic legislation than any Republican president since Eisenhower. Other Rep presidents tweaked tax rates and regulations but otherwise, what was their lasting impact on society? The political fallout in November is still far from known despite the storm of rhetoric. I doubt the outcome will make much difference anyway. But when we get to 2012, we will have the party that did stuff and the party that just screamed no as loud as they could. Voters will have a clear choice. It has been a long time since an American political movement actually set out do important things domestically, other than steering pork and bennies to their buddies.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (134295)	3/23/2010 9:06:52 AM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 542197

John, I'm not as pessimistic as you might think, I'm just surprised that the progressives continually concede the rhetorical war to the right wing and thus obligate themselves to accept their losses or to spend a huge amount of effort trying to dig themselves out of holes they didn't have to fall in. I agree, Ed. But that's our shared common sense bit right now. However, the next several months, the run up to the November elections, offer an opportunity for that to change. I'm just not certain how that might occur. It could be same ol, same ol, or some genuinely different factors, strategies, events could step up on stage. Right now I'm in the history as contingency mode rather than the history as necessity mode. Watching to see what happens and sending off $25 bits to this and that Dem activist group. (Whoops, shouldn't have typed that, else my wife and I get more.) As for good strategies, I like the historical one, the one that says this is like social security and medicare. I can find points that make the precedent not fit, but overall it works for me and I suspect it's one of several good talking points. But the biggest ones will not be the effect on the deficit but those elements that effect individuals immediately. That story needs to be told and told vividly. And, one more thing, the absolutely biggest will be the fate of the economy and growth (or not) of decent paying jobs. I'm also confident the Reps will continue to make utter fools of themselves.