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To: hpeace who wrote (9336)	11/5/1997 2:16:00 AM
From: Ronald P. Margraf Sr.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Steve, Your not getting the picture here. God doesn't tell you to die for him. YOU tell him that you are going to die for him. You can't tell him that you are going to die for him unless you have already resigned yourself to all earthly things. Beleive me God doesn't tell you to die for me tomorrow. In fact he tells you to live for him. So Steveeeeeeeee, if God is saying die for me then we are either reading the scriptures wrong or we are just answering a question to prove our faith. Doesn't work. Your talking to an old cronie here. Later, Ron

To: hpeace who wrote (9336)	11/5/1997 10:53:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

hummmmmm. I've just been sitting back and listening to others since you were all so patient with me on Sunday, with my much much speaking, but there is a small reality here which is about as big as the moon, now that I think about it. Those who have died so far in history for the reasons we speak, were those who knew the Word (the first generation church) and those who spread the Word (under the Romans). The NEXT wave were those under our friends wearing the fish mitre hat who REDISCOVERED the word (from ll00 on, discovering the Word, this time on paper, not as the fables of the over-structure) The last statement on the subject in Rev, I believe and don't have time to get it, is those who died for the "testimony" of Jesus Christ. Like Jesus said, "Hey, big deal--even the devil "believes" in me (as God), and trembles." (the gospel according to Grace) Ah, but those who know the Word, as in the Holy Spirit, that's a different matter. INteresting. Interesting question, Ron, no matter how we all may disagree to one extent or another. Probably one people better get settled in their minds pretty soon.