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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (15518)	3/27/2010 11:06:14 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 42652

Muslims exempt from obamacare..... libertyandpride.com There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists. So if Muslims are exempt from the bill because they don’t believe in insurance, can Christians be exempt from the bill and any associated taxes because they don’t believe in abortion? Not likely.

To: Lane3 who wrote (15518)	3/27/2010 11:26:21 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Its a matter of grammatical correctness, not political. "A death squad is an armed military, police, insurgent, or terrorist squad that conducts extra-judicial killings, assassinations, and forced disappearances of persons ..." Equating talk of death panels with death squads is misrepresentation ie. a strawman creation. Speaking of politcal correctness, death panels would NEVER be named death panels but something Orwellian like N.I.C.E. Our first start in this direction is IMAC. A death panel is what Obama wanted when he said really old people should just save everyone money and take a pain pill: THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right? I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here. DAVID LEONHARDT: So how do you — how do we deal with it? THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now. ---------------------- "Death panel" is like Ronald Reagan's "Evil Empire" - it outrages people, 'how could (he/she) say that'? But it illustrates a basic truth.