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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (16029)	4/2/2010 10:37:16 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

I think I can link to sources that show how that number is arrived at I could link to sources that do the same thing, but the numbers have nothing behind it. I've already linked to developed arguments about why the numbers are rather useless. But before you start, can you give a reasonable argument why more people might die now that more people have insurance.?.. Most likely (but not absolutely certainly) having the insurance would not kill them. But your not asking a relevant question. The issue is not "does having insurance make you more likely to die"? (f that's the question my answer, with fairly high confidence would be no.) The question is does Obamacare, make people more likely to die. They are different questions. Also its far from certain that more people will have insurance.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (16029)	4/3/2010 9:35:18 AM
From: Lane3	5 Recommendations Respond to of 42652

I think I can link to sources that show how that number is arrived at I remember an extended discussion of that. Don't recall all the details but there are definitely no good numbers on that. I do vaguely recall two problems with the numbers offered. One is that the analysis in question counted everyone who was without insurance for even a brief period during a decade or so. The other is that no attempt was made to show causation. So if you were without health insurance because you were between jobs for two months ten years ago and you subsequently died in a plane crash, you were counted as having died due to your lack of insurance. Those numbers make great slogans for the true believers but they're all bogus. There's just no way to get a number for deaths caused by lack of insurance. Or deaths that would not have occurred had people not had insurance, which also happens.