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To: Snowshoe who wrote (73146)	4/4/2010 1:16:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Respond to of 74559

"The Crown" owns all land and people "buy" it in fee simple meaning they have perpetual rights to it, unless it's taken from them under eminent domain "public works" type confiscation, or other usurpation such as taxes being paid by confiscation and sale of the land - land is taxed according to its value. <Are all the land and resources in New Zealand controlled by the national government? > There's a "Treaty of Waitangi" racist agreement still being argued over with no end in sight, with Maoris trying to create for themselves a pre-eminent position in New Zealand such as "Whites" had in South Africa. Most Maori tribes ceded sovereignty to the British Crown, though some did not, which presumably created a legal limbo for those relatively few areas, which were simply subsumed without agreement into the overall legal framework. Maoris got their land by killing and eating the people they displaced in genocidal conflict. Whoever held something in 1840 were deemed to be the legal owners. Mqurice

To: Snowshoe who wrote (73146)	4/4/2010 10:10:37 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	4 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

From Yulia in another tread rollingstone.com And once the giant shit machine was built and the note on all that fancy construction started to come due, Wall Street came back to the local politicians and doubled down on the scam. They showed up in droves to help the poor, broke citizens of Jefferson County cut their toilet finance charges using a blizzard of incomprehensible swaps and refinance schemes — schemes that only served to postpone the repayment date a year or two while sinking the county deeper into debt. In the end, every time Jefferson County so much as breathed near one of the banks, it got charged millions in fees. There was so much money to be made bilking these dizzy Southerners that banks like JP Morgan spent millions paying middlemen who bribed — yes, that's right, bribed, criminally bribed — the county commissioners and their buddies just to keep their business. Hell, the money was so good, JP Morgan at one point even paid Goldman Sachs $3 million just to back the fuck off, so they could have the rubes of Jefferson County to fleece all for themselves.