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To: Elroy who wrote (357691)	4/5/2010 8:46:48 AM
From: LindyBill	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

Individuals all over the world have different rights, largely due to different systems of governance. You have you and the universe, and what you can make of it. As I said before, The "Rights of Man" came out of the enlightenment. It was ridding us of the idea that we didn't have to have a King or a Priest to tell us what to do. Took a bit longer for minorities and women to be included. Let's not get this kind of discussion hung up with whither there is a God or not. That is a waste of time talking about here. Most of the world believes individuals are the property of God or of the State. We don't. Our system is based on the concept that we own ourselves. This is never a "pure" system, and the argument is always "what do I own, and what do I have to give to the State."

To: Elroy who wrote (357691)	4/5/2010 9:20:09 AM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 793917

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, .... " Well, if American's rights are what is laid out in the Bill of Rights and the various interpretations of law (right to a lawyer, right to remain silent, etc.) it's a big leap to say they come from God, rather that from the people that created the laws. Its a big leap the Founding Fathers took all right. Its a philosophical difference of view. The people who created the Constitution and the laws did so to secure those rights, they didn't create them.

To: Elroy who wrote (357691)	4/5/2010 9:38:39 AM
From: DMaA	2 Recommendations Respond to of 793917

Our rights do NOT come from the Bill of Rights, as it has been explained to you at least 10 times. In fact there was a big fight about even mentioning rights in the constitution. Some thought peopl would come to mistakenly think our rights were limited to what was listed in the bill. Turns out they were right. Well, if American's rights are what is laid out in the Bill of Rights and the various interpretations of law (right to a lawyer, right to remain silent, etc.) it's a big leap to say they come from God, rather that from the people that created the laws.

To: Elroy who wrote (357691)	4/5/2010 1:14:42 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

Elroy, this is not an attack, but it sounds like you personally need a Ruler, King or Monarch in order to live a life free from the daunting task of making societal decisions that affect your world. Iow, it sounds like you are perfectly happy to live by a set of rules designed by others, and with no personal input. That is not how it works in America. As always happens in life, problems constantly arise and it is up to the people, through their representatives, to convey their ideas as to how to solve them. When a rule (law) does not work, and the public wishes to change it, and using your example.........as to whether women shall vote or not........they (have the "right" to) collectively change it. A person may not agree, but democracy says the majority opinion shall be the opinion that rules. No one has said it is perfect, and it is often complicated and leads to other problems..........such as interpretation........but our Constitution is the guide.