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To: Road Walker who wrote (559433)	4/7/2010 3:32:34 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576588

RW, the WSJ already saw this coming a year ago. Google the article entitled "Magic Act: Conjuring Up a Profit at GM". (A pasted link will only lead to part of the article, but for some reason going through Google will provide the full article.) Anyway, from your AP article: > GM owes an additional $45.3 billion* to the government. That will be repaid when GM makes a public stock offering, which Liddell says will happen "when the markets and the company are ready."* I wonder how much GM thinks they can raise by selling more shares. GM's market cap peaked at $60B back in 1999. This was with $176B in annual sales and profit margins of 12.6%. Tenchusatsu

To: Road Walker who wrote (559433)	4/7/2010 5:00:08 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576588

Did you hold onto your AAPL shares from the low last March?

To: Road Walker who wrote (559433)	4/22/2010 9:09:58 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576588

Outright Fraud April 22, 2010, 8:02 am I was suspicious of GM’s announcement that they were paying off government loans quickly, an action that was attached to a clear PR message that can be boiled down to “taxpayers did the right thing giving us billions.” I was suspicious because I had thought most of the money GM got was an equity infusion as well as certain guarantees, such as of the UAW mention and retirement medical plans. As such, I suspected that a small debt repayment was trivial and just a token PR move. I was wrong. Well, actually, everything I wrote above is correct. But I was wrong in that I underestimated how fraudulent this announcement was. The issue came up yesterday at a hearing with the special watchdog on the Wall Street Bailout, Neil Barofsky, who was asked several times about the GM repayment by Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE), who was looking for answers on how much money the feds might make from the controversial Wall Street Bailout. “It’s good news in that they’re reducing their debt,” Barofsky said of the accelerated GM payments, “but they’re doing it by taking other available TARP money.” In other words, GM is taking money from the Wall Street Bailout – the TARP money – and using that to pay off their loans ahead of schedule. “It sounds like it’s kind of like taking money out of one pocket and putting in the other,” said Carper, who got a nod of agreement from Barofsky. “The way that payment is going to be made is by drawing down on an equity facility of other TARP money.” Translated – they are using bailout funds from the feds to pay off their loans. Un-freaking-believable. And as an aside, I know that we traditionally have a 5-year waiting period, but can we go ahead and add TARP now to the hall of fame of worst legislation? coyoteblog.com